RE: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement

["lists@polerecky" <lists () polerecky com>]

> > "Funny, if you are getting
> > DOSs'd or Spammed to hell, your ISP won't budge to fix it 
> but, the MPAA
> > sends one letter and they threaten to cut you (the customer) off."


Note: the client is being DOSs'ed or Spammed, not the client being the
instigator of the activity. I worked with safemode.org for 2+ years,
during that time we had many DOS problems that our ISP would not help us
with, but each time someone wanted a mirror removed from our site we
ended up getting kicked from our ISP.

Bottom-line, if you have the cash you can do what you want. As much as
many of us hate it the internet has become a place of corporations. Many
times I enjoy reading about companies losing millions to hackers or
pirates, stay of our internet, we liked it just fine before you bought
your way in.

</RANT>
Mystakill.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven J. Sobol [mailto:sjsobol () JustThe net] 
> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 3:12 PM
> To: Vinnie Lima
> Cc: Vachon, Scott; vuln-dev () securityfocus com
> Subject: RE: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Vinnie Lima wrote:
>
> > "Funny, if you are getting
> > DOSs'd or Spammed to hell, your ISP won't budge to fix it 
> but, the MPAA
> > sends one letter and they threaten to cut you (the customer) off."
> >
> > Isnt within the ISP's rights to require a SUBPOENA to do 
> any intrusive
> > action including, but not limited to, shutting off a user's 
> service? Or has
> > the new Digital Millenium Act supersedes that right?
>
> As far as I know, no. If I determine you spammed or DOS'd 
> someone from a 
> DSL or dialup account you pay me for, no, I wouldn't 
> typically demand a 
> subpoena from the complainant. If I'm smart, I will exercise due 
> dilligence in making damned sure that you *did* violate my 
> policies, but 
> checking my own server logs doesn't require a subpoena either.
>
> You're thinking of times when someone demands information 
> about a specific
> subscriber - in that case, unless the service provider is a 
> flaming idiot,
> they will not give out any info about who the subscriber is, 
> etc., without
> a subpoena. But the decision to terminate service doesn't require the
> release of any of your personal information to third parties.
>
> **SJS (speaking as a service provider)
>
> -- 
> Steve Sobol, CTO  JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH  
> 888.480.4NET
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