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RE: Civil Disobedience
From: "Chris Wicklein" <chrisw () wicklein org>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:27:20 -0500
-----Original Message----- From: Joel Rivers [mailto:rivers () lcms org] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:48 PM To: John Thornton; declan () wired com; ah () well com; vuln-dev () securityfocus com; oth () 2600 com Subject: RE: Civil Disobedience What civil liberties are we giving up? Since when is hacking, virus-writing, and website defacing a civil liberty? I will agree that life imprisionment is a little harsh for defacing a web site but I think that harsher penalties hopefully will serve as a deterent for this type of behavior.
The eighth amendment to the Constitution prohibits excessive bail, excessive fines, and cruel or unusual punishment. "Hacking" and "website defacing" are arguably analogous to criminal trespass; Virus-writing is at best protected speech and at worst criminal negligence. To punish these offenses as if they were as serious as terrorism or murder is unconstitutional if "cruel or unusual punishment" is interpreted to include punishment which is a harsh juxtaposition to the usual practice of assigning punishments to fit crimes.
Current thread:
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- RE: Civil Disobedience Ron DuFresne (Oct 15)
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- Re: Civil Disobedience VeNoMouS (Oct 15)
- Re: Civil Disobedience White Vampire (Oct 15)
- Re: Civil Disobedience Joe Shaw (Oct 15)
- RE: Civil Disobedience Jose Nazario (Oct 15)
- RE: Civil Disobedience Ron DuFresne (Oct 15)
- Re: Civil Disobedience TD - Sales International Holland B.V. (Oct 16)
- Re: Civil Disobedience Geoff Galitz (Oct 17)
- Re: Civil Disobedience Kevin L. Poulsen (Oct 15)
- RE: Civil Disobedience Chris Wicklein (Oct 17)
- Re: Civil Disobedience TD - Sales International Holland B.V. (Oct 16)
- Re: Civil Disobedience Paul Kincaid (Oct 17)
- RE: Civil Disobedience DePriest, Jason R. (Oct 15)
- RE: Civil Disobedience Robert Tillman (Oct 15)
- Re: Civil Disobedience White Vampire (Oct 15)
- RE: Civil Disobedience Robert Tillman (Oct 15)
- RE: Civil Disobedience pomalley(contr-ird) (Oct 15)
- RE: Civil Disobedience br0ken halo (Oct 15)
- RE: Civil Disobedience Eduardo Diaz (Oct 15)
- Re: Civil Disobedience TD - Sales International Holland B.V. (Oct 16)
- RE: Civil Disobedience Eduardo Diaz (Oct 15)