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Functional Correctness
From: andrews at rbacomm.com (Brad Andrews)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:18:09 -0500
Now that you mention it.... I was listening to the CERT podcast where you and a couple of others discussed the BSIMM (probably a while back since I am well behind on those). You made a statement along these lines and I immediately thought that I disagreed! :) I don't think software security is as simple as that. I do agree that companies can (and should) do far more than they do and that many things could be eliminated with very mechanical fixes, but I don't think that gives a good long-term perspective. I also think that it will set management's expectation at a level that will ultimately be harmful. After all, we can just "implement this maturity model and eliminate all our security problems, at least in the application, right?" That is likely to end up resulting in even more resistance in the future when management questions why they need to keep spending more for software security, a secure architecture, etc. Don't people learn what they need to know at some point? I don't think we will ever be static. As soon as we remove the low hanging fruit, the fruit higher up the tree will be the problem. This isn't to say a maturity model is useless, but I remain skeptical that it will live up to the "hype" (low key now, but there) it is being presented with. I am sure this is not as smoothly presented as it needs to be, but I am fairly certain of the general thrust of my conviction. I suppose 20+ in software development helps. -- Brad Andrews RBA Communications CISM, CSSLP, SANS/GIAC GSEC, GCFW, GCIH, GPCI Quoting Gary McGraw <gem at cigital.com>:
Software security is an intensely practical problem that will require a practical approach. By studying organizations that are doing a decent job, perhaps we can draw some practical lessons. That's precisely what we're up to with the BSIMM <http://bsi-mm.com>.
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- Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum?, (continued)
- Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum? James Walden (Aug 20)
- Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum? Goertzel, Karen [USA] (Aug 20)
- Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum? McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) (Aug 20)
- Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum? SC-L Reader Dave Aronson (Aug 20)
- Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum? Wall, Kevin (Aug 20)
- Security as a part of code quality (Was: Re: Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum?) Martin Gilje Jaatun (Aug 20)
- Security as a part of code quality (Was: Re: Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum?) Cassidy, Colin (GE Infra, Energy) (Aug 21)
- Security as a part of code quality (Was: Re: Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum?) Gary McGraw (Aug 21)
- Functional Correctness Brad Andrews (Aug 21)
- Functional Correctness Gary McGraw (Aug 21)
- Functional Correctness Brad Andrews (Aug 21)
- Functional Correctness Cassidy, Colin (GE Infra, Energy) (Aug 22)
- Functional Correctness Pravir Chandra (Aug 24)
- Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum? Goertzel, Karen [USA] (Aug 20)
- Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum? McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) (Aug 25)
- Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum? Goertzel, Karen [USA] (Aug 25)
- Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum? Wall, Kevin (Aug 25)
- Where Does Secure Coding Belong In the Curriculum? James Walden (Aug 20)
- Functional Correctness Jim Manico (Aug 21)
- Customer Demand Brad Andrews (Aug 21)
- Customer Demand Goertzel, Karen [USA] (Aug 21)
- Customer Demand Brad Andrews (Aug 21)