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RE: My Frustrations
From: "Shenk, Jerry A" <jshenk () decommunications com>
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:31:43 -0500
Is being licensed really all that different from certified? I don't know too many teachers but I know a couple really lousy ones and every couple days, I hear some horrible story about a teacher who had sex with a student or.... There are bad examples in the medical profession too and they're all licensed. And drivers...they all have licenses. My town requires plumbers and electricians to be licensed and they also require that one of those guys who is playing the system review my work if I want to do something myself. I'll bet we can all come up with electrical and plumbing stories. No, I don't think licensure is the answer. I think personal responsibility both from the practitioner and the one needing the service (or the checkbox;) is what's really needed. -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Sat Jagat Singh Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:54 PM To: pen-test list Subject: Re: My Frustrations Having read your blog post, I would say that I share some of these frustrations. But many organizations are really only trying to cover their asses and put a check in the box to say that, yes we got an assessment done to satisfy the letter of the regulations. These are companies that are more concerned about the cost of the project than the actual security. While such people tend to get what they deserve, it does create a negative reputation for the profession as a whole. Yes, I do think it is a "profession", but we have not "professionalized" ourselves by requiring licensing. The industry reliance on certification rather than licensing as a credential somewhat serves to muddy the waters because the decision makers hiring security consultants don't really know what a given certification covers. We could debate the value of different certifications until the cows come home but I don't want to insult anyone and we can probably agree that too many of them do not guarantee that the holder has real qualifications and the security unsavy will never really know how to evaluate that. More and more I lean toward some form of professional licensure. One of the states will have to move in this direction before a serious debate about it will be opened. Until then, caveat emptor. --- On Wed, 12/17/08, Adriel T. Desautels <ad_lists () netragard com> wrote:
From: Adriel T. Desautels <ad_lists () netragard com> Subject: My Frustrations To: "pen-test list" <pen-test () securityfocus com> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 11:19 AM I recently wrote this blog entry and wanted to get some comments from readers of this list. I'm frustrated with the caliber of the people that are offering security services and posing as experts, thats the subject of the post. Please comment, insult, whatever... I'm interested. http://snosoft.blogspot.com/ Adriel T. Desautels ad_lists () netragard com
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- Re: My Frustrations tony_l_turner (Dec 18)
- Re: My Frustrations Adriel T. Desautels (Dec 19)
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- Re: My Frustrations Adriel T. Desautels (Dec 23)
- Re: My Frustrations Roman Medina-Heigl Hernandez (Dec 23)
- Re: My Frustrations Adriel T. Desautels (Dec 19)
- RE: My Frustrations Shenk, Jerry A (Dec 19)