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Re: IPv6 woes - RFC
From: Eliot Lear <lear () ofcourseimright com>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 09:46:41 +0200
On 13.09.21 20:22, Randy Bush wrote:
< rant >
ipv6 was designed at a time where the internet futurists/idealists had disdain for operators and vendors, and thought we were evil money grabbers who had to be brought under control.
and...
<snip>
real compatibility with ipv4 was disdained.
I'm not claiming IPv6 is any sort of perfect, but let's not revise history. To quote Lee Hayes' adaptation of Will Rogers: “Things aren't what they used to be, what's more they never were.” There were four proposals for the IPng: * NIMROD, PIP, SIP, and TUBASIP was the one that was chosen, supported by endpoint manufacturers such as Sun and SGI, and it was the MOST compatible. Operators and router manufacturers at the time pushed TUBA, which was considerably less compatible with the concepts used in v4 because of variable length addressing. If we endpoints had some notion that v6 would take as long as it has to diffuse, perhaps we all might have thought differently. I don't know.
There is no evidence that any other design choices on the table at the time would have gotten us transitioned any faster, and a lot of evidence and analysis that the exact opposite is more likely. There are many reasons v6 has taken this long to deploy, but one prediction model (Elmore/Camp) dating back to 2008 have said it would take to the end of the century to get to 80%, barring a paradigm shift. We may have that paradigm shift with IoT, but the jury is still out.
Eliot
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