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if not v6, what?
From: Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com>
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 14:28:05 -0700
On 9/4/21 10:43 PM, Saku Ytti wrote:
I can't see how an "end of the tunnel" clause would be helpful. As with everything, nothing would be done until the very and then they'd just extend the tunnel again which is functionally no different than running out of IP address.I view IPv6 as the biggest mistake of my career and feel responsible for this horrible outcome and I do apologise to Internet users for it. This dual-stack is the worst possible outcome, and we've been here over two decades, increasing cost and reducing service quality. We should have performed better, we should have been IPv6 only years ago. I wish 20 years ago big SPs would have signed a contract to drop IPv4 at the edge 20 years from now, so that we'd given everyone a 20 year deadline to migrate away. 20 years ago was the best time to do it, the 2nd best time is today. If we don't do it, 20 years from now, we are in the same position, inflating costs and reducing quality and transferring those costs to our end users who have to suffer from our incompetence.
I looked up CGN's this morning and the thing that struck me the most was losing port forwarding. It's probably a small thing to most people but losing it means to get an incoming session it always has to be mediated by something on the outside. Yuck. So I hope that is not what the future hold, though it probably does.
So is there anything we could have done different? Was this ever really a technical issue? Even if we bolted two more bytes onto an IPv4 address and nothing more, would that have been adopted either?
Mike
Current thread:
- Re: IPv6 woes - RFC, (continued)
- Re: IPv6 woes - RFC John Levine (Sep 08)
- Re: IPv6 woes - RFC Owen DeLong via NANOG (Sep 08)
- Re: IPv6 woes - RFC Fred Baker (Sep 11)
- Re: IPv6 woes - RFC Owen DeLong via NANOG (Sep 08)
- Re: IPv6 woes - RFC Niels Bakker (Sep 08)
- Re: IPv6 woes - RFC Owen DeLong via NANOG (Sep 08)
- Re: IPv6 woes - RFC Bjørn Mork (Sep 10)
- Re: IPv6 woes - RFC Mark Andrews (Sep 10)
- Re: IPv6 woes - RFC Owen DeLong via NANOG (Sep 19)
- Re: IPv6 woes - RFC sronan (Sep 06)
- if not v6, what? Michael Thomas (Sep 05)
- Re: if not v6, what? Grant Taylor via NANOG (Sep 05)
- Re: if not v6, what? Eric Kuhnke (Sep 07)
- Re: if not v6, what? Mark Tinka (Sep 07)
- Re: if not v6, what? Masataka Ohta (Sep 07)
- Re: if not v6, what? Niels Bakker (Sep 07)
- Re: fun with ports, was if not v6, what? John Levine (Sep 07)
- Re: if not v6, what? Masataka Ohta (Sep 07)
- Re: if not v6, what? Mark Andrews (Sep 07)
- Re: if not v6, what? Masataka Ohta (Sep 08)
- Re: if not v6, what? Owen DeLong via NANOG (Sep 08)