Re: Viable Third Option?

[Joe Hamby <johamby () blomand net>]

I second the motion for NTT.

I would never connect to GTT again.....if you want to know 
why.....contact offlist.


joe

On 2/17/2021 1:58 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> Second vote for NTT.
>
> Also, second vote for GTT.
>
> --
> TTFN,
> patrick
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 2021, at 14:07, David Hubbard 
> > <dhubbard () dino hostasaurus com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > I’ve been pretty happy with NTT but their POPs can be limited; I’ve 
> > had to pick up waves to them, which sometimes still comes out ahead.  
> > I’m slowly dropping Cogent due to the v6 issues.  I haven’t been able 
> > to try HE because they and a frequent colo provider I use (Switch) 
> > don’t seem to get along.
> >
> > *From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces+dhubbard=dino.hostasaurus.com () nanog org> 
> > on behalf of Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>
> > *Date: *Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:52 AM
> > *To: *NANOG list <nanog () nanog org>
> > *Subject: *Viable Third Option?
> >
> > This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that 
> > content networks would have different objectives and reasons. For 
> > instance, I have little to no reason as an eyeball network to 
> > exchange traffic with any other eyeball network (aside from P2P 
> > games). For a content network, getting into the eyeball networks is 
> > their objective.
> >
> > My crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of control 
> > because people won't be able to keep it on topic, but it is a 
> > question that I hear VERY often. I also expect a lot of purely bad or 
> > outdated information to get thrown out.
> >
> > Please try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic over relatively 
> > unimportant details.
> >
> > There are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE.
> >
> > Cogent
> >
> >   * Refuses to peer IPv6 with HE
> >   * Refuses to peer IPv6 with Google
> >   * Aggressive sales tactics
> >
> > Hurricane
> >
> >   * Doesn't have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal
> >   * Lack of communities for anything other than blackholes
> >
> > I know there are a variety of other providers such as Fusion Network 
> > that operate at similar price points, but are available in way fewer 
> > locations.
> >
> > What else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x, 10x the cost?
> >
> > Cogent and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes deservedly so), but 
> > when I talk to someone trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x 
> > the cost of Cogent and HE, you better have a very good argument for 
> > why you're worth it...  and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?" 
> > Many times I'm quoted transit that costs more than Cogent + IX + HE 
> > and they don't really have a good argument for it.
> >
> > As an eyeball, I join an IX and there goes 50% - 85% of my traffic 
> > and almost all of my traffic that anyone is going to notice or 
> > complain about if there are issues (video streaming).
> >
> > I do understand that enterprise eyeballs may have different requirements.
> >
> >
> >
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