Re: Viable Third Option?

[Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com>]

Second for NTT. We have found that their pricing wasn’t to far off from HE.
I can count on one hand in 10 years how many times we had issues and needed
to contact them.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 14:06 David Hubbard <dhubbard () dino hostasaurus com>
wrote:

> I’ve been pretty happy with NTT but their POPs can be limited; I’ve had to
> pick up waves to them, which sometimes still comes out ahead.  I’m slowly
> dropping Cogent due to the v6 issues.  I haven’t been able to try HE
> because they and a frequent colo provider I use (Switch) don’t seem to get
> along.
>
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> *From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces+dhubbard=dino.hostasaurus.com () nanog org> on
> behalf of Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>
> *Date: *Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:52 AM
> *To: *NANOG list <nanog () nanog org>
> *Subject: *Viable Third Option?
>
>
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> This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that
> content networks would have different objectives and reasons. For instance,
> I have little to no reason as an eyeball network to exchange traffic with
> any other eyeball network (aside from P2P games). For a content network,
> getting into the eyeball networks is their objective.
>
>
>
> My crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of control because
> people won't be able to keep it on topic, but it is a question that I hear
> VERY often. I also expect a lot of purely bad or outdated information to
> get thrown out.
>
>
>
> Please try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic over relatively
> unimportant details.
>
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>
> There are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE.
>
>
>
> Cogent
>
>    - Refuses to peer IPv6 with HE
>    - Refuses to peer IPv6 with Google
>    - Aggressive sales tactics
>
> Hurricane
>
>    - Doesn't have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal
>    - Lack of communities for anything other than blackholes
>
>
>
> I know there are a variety of other providers such as Fusion Network that
> operate at similar price points, but are available in way fewer locations.
>
>
>
> What else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x, 10x the cost?
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> Cogent and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes deservedly so), but when
> I talk to someone trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x the cost of
> Cogent and HE, you better have a very good argument for why you're worth
> it...  and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?" Many times I'm quoted
> transit that costs more than Cogent + IX + HE and they don't really have a
> good argument for it.
>
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> As an eyeball, I join an IX and there goes 50% - 85% of my traffic and
> almost all of my traffic that anyone is going to notice or complain about
> if there are issues (video streaming).
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> I do understand that enterprise eyeballs may have different requirements.
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