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Re: "Is BGP safe yet?" test
From: "Cummings, Chris" <ccummings () coeur com>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 15:38:32 +0000
Why do you think that RPKI adoption will be slowed due to this action by CloudFlare? — Chris Cummings From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> Date: Monday, April 20, 2020 at 10:35 To: Andrey Kostin <ankost () podolsk ru> Cc: Nanog <nanog () nanog org> Subject: Re: "Is BGP safe yet?" test ( Speaking 100% for myself. ) I think it was tremendously irresponsible, especially in the context of current events, to take a complex technical issue like this and frame it to the general public as a 'safety' issue. It's created articles like this : https://www.wired.com/story/cloudflare-bgp-routing-safe-yet/ , which are terrible because they imply that RPKI is just some simple thing that anyone not doing is just lazy or stupid. Very few people will read to the bottom note about vendors implementing RPKI support, or do any other research on the issue and challenges that some companies face to do it. It's not their job; that's ours. I feel like there has been more momentum in getting more people to implement PKI in the last 18-24 months. ( Maybe others with different visibility have different opinions there. ) There are legitimate technical and business reasons why this isn't just a switch that can be turned on, and everyone in our industry knows that. In my opinion, Mr. Prince is doing a great disservice by taking this approach, and in the longer term RPKI adoption will likely be slower than it would have been otherwise. I genuinely appreciate much of what Cloudflare does for the sake of 'internet good' , but I believe they wildly missed the mark here. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:09 AM Andrey Kostin <ankost () podolsk ru<mailto:ankost () podolsk ru>> wrote: Hi Nanog list, Would be interesting to hear your opinion on this: https://isbgpsafeyet.com/<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fisbgpsafeyet.com%2f&c=E,1,yPfCe3uCN5n20SgR-hbGPgyzXYl7fhPtgS0piraWZK5vfdwL2nMPvg2btKnk02oAsf0IJBBQzRwbwXQEGrrr4gJiesDJCWWswG6KRpMuONuXKHTwRf5I&typo=1> We have cases when residential customers ask support "why is your service isn't safe?" pointing to that article. It's difficult to answer correctly considering that the asking person usually doesn't know what BGP is and what it's used for, save for understanding it's function, design and possible misuses. IMO, on one hand it promotes and is aimed to push RPKI deployment, on the other hand is this a proper way for it? How ethical is to claim other market players unsafe, considering that scope of possible impact of not implementing it has completely different scale for a small stub network and big transit provider? Kind regards, Andrey
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- Re: "Is BGP safe yet?" test Mark Tinka (Apr 20)
- Re: "Is BGP safe yet?" test Tom Beecher (Apr 20)
- Re: "Is BGP safe yet?" test Mark Tinka (Apr 20)
- Re: "Is BGP safe yet?" test Andrey Kostin (Apr 20)
- Re: "Is BGP safe yet?" test Denys Fedoryshchenko (Apr 20)
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