Re: yet another round of SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal [Feedback Request]

[Jason Hellenthal via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

Honestly, you feel very highly of your work in which any of us do in this field but John has a very good point and 
constructive criticism shroud not be the down fall of anyone. Read it 100 times without taking any thought of your own 
work and try to see the whole picture.

Not agreeing with John or you but it is very straight forward and industry leading. It’s polite. I would feel the 
proper response from you would be to acknowledge the feedback and ask for some correction and guidance as John has had 
a lot of involvement here as so many others. 

He is not saying what you are doing is bad or such but more of guidance in a more proper direction so delusions are not 
set in the future.

The whole picture of any outcome is not only had by just one person trying to make a difference but by the whole for a 
greater good for which makes sense for the current architectures and policies that are in place.

I solute both you and John plus the community at which contribute highly valuable aspects to evolving “our” beat 
practices and judgements.

Whether it’s positive or negative or proof of concept, it is how we get to where we “think” we should be.

Criticism is how we get there regardless.

Let’s cut out the other non-sense and discontinue this thread and work positively instead of against one-another. 

-- 
 J. Hellenthal

The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.

> On Jan 12, 2019, at 17:26, Cummings, Chris <ccummings () coeur com> wrote:
>
> Can we please have a mod step in and shut this thread down? Any conversation of value is long gone. 
>
> /Chris
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 5:25 PM -0600, "Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan" <giri () dombox org> wrote:
>
> > I don't know why you are all try to defend a man who try to silence my work.
> >
> > Are you saying this thread is necessary?
> >
> > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 4:46 AM Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera () gmail com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 12:51 AM Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
> > > <giri () dombox org> wrote:
> > > > 5 months back I posted my spam research on DMARC list.
> > > > You have gone through only 50 words and judged my work.
> > > > The whole thread gone haywire because of you. I was
> > > > humiliated there and left.
> > >
> > > By the way, since that you've left no traces of whatever piece of work
> > > you've posted to that list. The website is empty, slides are removed
> > > from Speakerdeck, etc.
> > >
> > > In theory, I can easily recall a few cases in my life when going
> > > through just 50 words was quite enough for a judgment.
> > >
> > > > To be very honest, I don't like you.
> > >
> > > Please keep our busy mailing list out of this information, though for
> > > me it's a valuable piece of data that someone I don't know personally
> > > doesn't like someone else.
> > >
> > > > Although I don't like you, I still managed to respond politely in
> > > > IETF lists. Again... In that list the only thing you did was
> > > > attacking my work.
> > >
> > > So, I've read the whole thread, and, as far as I can see, there was
> > > nothing coming from John except for a balanced judgement.
> > >
> > > > And then please tell me this man is not biased at all.
> > >
> > > Sorry, he's not.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Töma
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
> > Dombox, Inc.