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Re: power to the internet
From: Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com>
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 11:55:27 -0800
On 12/26/19 11:18 AM, John Levine wrote:
In article <CAL9Qcx5jGEZzoqmcvusfW9htTwoSVV9Mnf6Xca5VHQLLDSTySw () mail gmail com> you write:To reanswer the question posed though, is still the same ; $$$. If network operators take the position that the electric utility supply should be more reliable than it is, then they need to start influencing and lobbying for ways for that to happen. If not, they will have to increase investments into local generation or storage capacity to bridge those gaps. You seem to imply that regulation is inherently bad; however the scenario that you describe (power failures impacting 911 service) is only a concern to an operator if there is a legislatively define deterrent.California suffers from an unusual combination of a dry climate that is getting dryer and political decisions that made sense in the short run but are now showing their long term consequences, notably land use that encourages sprawl and construction in ill-suited areas
If we stopped construction in all of the ill-suited areas, we'd stop construction all together, and tear down much more. We have it all here: earthquakes, floods, fires; often the trifecta. We could certainly be smarter, but the nature of the geography here is both a blessing and a curse.
PG&E is especially egregious as it has extremely high rates and piss-poor maintenance. Where does all of that money go? Execs and shareholders. And if some random nyc hedge fund gets its way it's going to get even worse. I don't know what the ultimate solution is, but whatever it is cannot have those perverse incentives., and a regulator that keeps short term consumer prices down at the cost of reliability and long term stability. None of this should be a surprise to anyone familiar with the situation.
Mike
Current thread:
- Re: power to the internet, (continued)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 25)
- Re: power to the internet Constantine A. Murenin (Dec 25)
- Re: power to the internet Tom Beecher (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Mike Bolitho (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Jason Wilson (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Tom Beecher (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet John Levine (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet John Levine (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Fred Baker (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 27)
- Re: power to the internet Jason Wilson (Dec 27)
- Re: power to the internet Joe Maimon (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Ben Cannon (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 26)