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Re: power to the internet
From: "John Levine" <johnl () iecc com>
Date: 26 Dec 2019 14:18:48 -0500
In article <CAL9Qcx5jGEZzoqmcvusfW9htTwoSVV9Mnf6Xca5VHQLLDSTySw () mail gmail com> you write:
To reanswer the question posed though, is still the same ; $$$. If network operators take the position that the electric utility supply should be more reliable than it is, then they need to start influencing and lobbying for ways for that to happen. If not, they will have to increase investments into local generation or storage capacity to bridge those gaps. You seem to imply that regulation is inherently bad; however the scenario that you describe (power failures impacting 911 service) is only a concern to an operator if there is a legislatively define deterrent.
California suffers from an unusual combination of a dry climate that is getting dryer and political decisions that made sense in the short run but are now showing their long term consequences, notably land use that encourages sprawl and construction in ill-suited areas, and a regulator that keeps short term consumer prices down at the cost of reliability and long term stability. None of this should be a surprise to anyone familiar with the situation. Even well run US utilities are much less reliable than the norm in Europe or Japan. Where ISPs in the US are figuring out how to install batteries and backup generators or private windmills or whatever, their European peers pay somewhat higher utility bills and don't have to worry about the other stuff. You'll pay either way. European utilities aren't more reliable by accident; that's how they're regulated. Calfornia also offers an interesting natural experiment comparing privately run utilities PG&E and SCE and the city owned Los Angeles DWP.
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- Re: power to the internet, (continued)
- Re: power to the internet Constantine A. Murenin (Dec 25)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 25)
- Re: power to the internet Constantine A. Murenin (Dec 25)
- Re: power to the internet Tom Beecher (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Mike Bolitho (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Jason Wilson (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Tom Beecher (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet John Levine (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet John Levine (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Fred Baker (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Michael Thomas (Dec 27)
- Re: power to the internet Jason Wilson (Dec 27)
- Re: power to the internet Joe Maimon (Dec 26)
- Re: power to the internet Ben Cannon (Dec 26)