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Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO
From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike () swm pp se>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 22:43:10 +0100 (CET)
On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, Owen DeLong wrote:
Nope... I look at the consumer side pricing and the fact that cellular providers by and large are NOT losing money. I assume that means that the rest of the math behind the scenes must work somehow.
Cost != price.Also, wireless providers are not delivering the same service as wireline providers. How many gigabytes per month do you usually get for the same money on wireline compared to wireless?
Yeah, I'm sure there are all kinds of ways that wireline could be made cheaper, etc. However, I'm talking about comparing consumer pricing, not behind the scenes costs as the former is relatively easy to compare on even footing while the later is far to obfuscated by far too many parties to ever have a rational debate.
Consumer pricing often have nothing to do with cost in a dysfunctional market. It a functional market, cost and price are more closely related.
I said nothing about what was possible... I only comment on what is actually happening. If you know how to achieve a functioning market in the US, I'm all ears. In the mean time, dysfunction is all I have available to work with.
Well, there would have to be a huge amount of changes, and most likely only a portion of them would be implemented and then the changes would be deemed a failure.
Make it administratively fairly easy to put fiber in the ground. Make municipalities/utilities put in fiber along other infrastructure and make them rent it out at pricepoints that are related to cost.
If it's possible to rent dark fiber, then you can all of a sudden get competition instead of having a few huge companies dominate the market.
Access to possibility of renting or installing L1 infrastructure to the block/cabinet is the key.
-- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike () swm pp se
Current thread:
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO, (continued)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Ricky Beam (Dec 02)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Owen DeLong (Dec 02)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Ricky Beam (Dec 02)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Nikolay Shopik (Dec 03)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Owen DeLong (Dec 03)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Mark Andrews (Dec 03)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Nikolay Shopik (Dec 04)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Owen DeLong (Dec 04)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 04)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Owen DeLong (Dec 04)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 04)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Owen DeLong (Dec 04)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 04)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Owen DeLong (Dec 05)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 05)
- Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO Phil Karn (Dec 05)
- Caps (was Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO) Mark Radabaugh (Dec 06)
- Re: Caps (was Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO) Michael Thomas (Dec 06)
- Re: Caps (was Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO) cb.list6 (Dec 06)
- Re: Caps (was Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO) Mark Radabaugh (Dec 06)
- Re: Caps (was Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO) Phil Karn (Dec 08)