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Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query)
From: Jimmy Hess <mysidia () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:56:54 -0500
On 9/11/12, Masataka Ohta <mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp> wrote:
(2012/09/11 20:52), valdis.kletnieks () vt edu wrote:On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:51:53 +0900, Masataka Ohta said:No, I don't. It's Jimmy, Eliot and you who are relying on a non standard track RFC to deny RFC3102 and all the non standard track RFCs, which is the silly paradox.
Straw man. We don't rely on a non standard track RFC to "deny" rfc3102 having significance, furthermore, we don't indicate that all non standard track RFCs are of no significance; he's just being nice about it. The rfc1796 just happens to contain a useful explanation. If you don't read 3102 selectively, ignoring the disclaimers, you can very easily see that RSIP is not considered a viable standard in its present form, but possibly someone /might/ find it suitable for experimental use. RFC3102 denies itself, and please read the IESG note at the top of the document; where fundamental problems are admitted to with regards to interoperability and transparency. "This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind." Which means that RSIP has not received technical review or acceptance like standards have. The protocol doesn't have to work for an Experimental or Informational RFC to be published. The non-standards track rfc might still contain useful information, but 3102 is a little more authoritative than someone's blog entry. There are other non-standards track RFCs that are more important, take RFC 1149 for example.... Just being a RFC alone doesn't make a document important or not, reliable or not, anymore than a news article is important or not just because it appeared on a certain bulletin board. For now, and in its current form, I will discount the relevance or usefulness of the experimental protocol described in rc3102.
Standard or not, we have Christian Huitema, John Postel, and Steve CrockerIf you have some respect to them, don't involve them with your silly paradox.
-- -JH
Current thread:
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query), (continued)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Masataka Ohta (Sep 05)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Oliver (Sep 06)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Masataka Ohta (Sep 06)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Owen DeLong (Sep 06)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Oliver (Sep 07)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Masataka Ohta (Sep 09)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Nick Hilliard (Sep 10)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Masataka Ohta (Sep 10)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) valdis . kletnieks (Sep 11)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Masataka Ohta (Sep 11)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Jimmy Hess (Sep 11)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) William Herrin (Sep 10)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Masataka Ohta (Sep 10)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Jimmy Hess (Sep 10)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Andrew Sullivan (Sep 06)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) William Herrin (Sep 06)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Andrew Sullivan (Sep 06)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Masataka Ohta (Sep 06)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Owen DeLong (Sep 06)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Masataka Ohta (Sep 06)
- Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query) Owen DeLong (Sep 06)