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Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration
From: Cameron Byrne <cb.list6 () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:58:58 -0800
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:28 AM, mike <mike () mtcc com> wrote:
On 11/26/12 8:59 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, Michael Thomas wrote:I don't see either Apple or Microsoft as being the hindrance. In fact, both of them seem pretty ready, fsvo "ready". Unlike ISP's by and large. But I'm pretty sure that both iPhones and Androids are pretty happy about being in v6 land since I see them showing up in my logs all the time, for the few providers that have lit up v6.Not on the mobile side. Wifi yes, mobile no.You're saying there are no cellular v6 deployments? I'm about 99% certain that you're wrong. I see v6 addresses in my apache logs all the time and they're almost definitely while they're not on wifi (my site uploads gps data while people are skiing, so they're usually on cellular).I'm all for bagging on those two, but it seems pretty unjustified here.What they need to start doing is testing Apps for IPv6 only access capabilitity. This doesn't work today, Apps like Waze, Spotify and others do not work on IPv6 only access.Is this the app's fault? What are they doing wrong?
Yes, it is the app's fault. They are either doing IPv4 literals or IPv4-only sockets The IPv4 literal issues is when they do "wget http://192.168.1.1" ... hard coding IPv4 addresses... instead of using an FQDN like "wget http://example.com". Using an FQDN allows the DNS64 to work correctly. The IPv4 literals fail since the IPv6-only host do not have an ipv4 address to bind to or an ipv4 route to follow. This is the issue that i believe Skype has ... since they use IPv4 addresses as part of their signalling. Another one is the URL re-director http://cs.co at Cisco. For example http://cs.co/6017pZhN will bounce you via an IPv4 address literal .... which means an IPv6-only user gets a webpage that tries to load an IPv4 address and fails. The other issue is that the developers choose to use IPv4-only socket APIs instead of a generic network socket APIs that would allow v4 or v6. This is usually an education issue. This is what i think is wrong with the Netflix Android app, they tried to do some low level network tweaks using the Android NDK but in doing these tweaks they only used IPv4 socket APIs and fail to work on IPv6 natively or via NAT64/DNS64. CB
Mike
Current thread:
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration, (continued)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Michael Thomas (Nov 26)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Dobbins, Roland (Nov 26)
- Fwd: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Cutler James R (Nov 26)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Dobbins, Roland (Nov 26)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Cutler James R (Nov 26)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Dobbins, Roland (Nov 26)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Mikael Abrahamsson (Nov 26)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Mark Andrews (Nov 26)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Cameron Byrne (Nov 27)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration mike (Nov 27)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Cameron Byrne (Nov 27)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Michael Thomas (Nov 27)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Cameron Byrne (Nov 27)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Mikael Abrahamsson (Nov 27)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Cameron Byrne (Nov 27)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Mikael Abrahamsson (Nov 27)
- RE: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration david.binet (Nov 28)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Cameron Byrne (Nov 28)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Bjørn Mork (Nov 28)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Mikael Abrahamsson (Nov 28)
- Re: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration Måns Nilsson (Nov 26)