Re: Arguing against using public IP space

[Joe Greco <jgreco () ns sol net>]

> On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:54 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
> > > If you put a router where you needed a firewall, then, this is not a =
> > > failure of the firewall, but, a
> > > failure of the network implementor and the address space will not have =
> > > any impact whatsoever
> > > on your lack of security.
> >
> > And the difference between a router and a firewall is ...?
> >
> > Apparently, one bit.
>
> IMHO, a firewall does not route packets by default, but, rather only forwards
> those packets which match configured policies.
>
> A router, OTOH, routes packets by default, but, may be configured with some
> policy about which packets to forward.
>
> The difference functionally is what happens when the configuration is
> lost or corrupted. Essentially fail open vs. fail closed.

1 vs 0.  As I said... one bit.

Understanding this fundamental truth is helpful in understanding why
people use "routers" as "firewalls" and "firewalls" as "routers".
Because they're basically the same thing, with a one bit difference.

And some products, say like FreeBSD (which forms the heart of things
like pfSense, so let's not even begin to argue that it "isn't a
firewall") can actually be configured to default either way.  

So basically, while we would all prefer that firewalls default to deny,
it probably isn't as important a distinction as this thread is making
it out to be, because even a "default to deny" firewall fails when a
naive admin makes a typo and allows all traffic from 0/0 inadvertently.
It's just a matter of statistical likelihood.

Or perhaps a better argument would be that routers really ought to
default to deny.  :-)  I'd be fine with that, but I can hear the
screaming already.

... JG
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