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RE: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF)
From: Ronald Bonica <rbonica () juniper net>
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:02:13 -0400
Scott, I am not so sure that Randy's suggestion can be dismissed out of hand. When we started down the path of locator/identifier separation, we did so because the separation of locators and identifiers might solve some real operational problems. We were not so interested in architectural purity. At this point, it might be interesting to do the following: - enumerate the operational problems solved by LISP - enumerate the subset of those problems also solved by RFC 6296 - execute a cost/benefit analysis on both solutions Ron
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Brim [mailto:scott.brim () gmail com] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:39 AM To: Randy Bush Cc: North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:09, Randy Bush <randy () psg com> wrote:btw, a litte birdie told me to take another look at 6296 IPv6-to-IPv6 Network Prefix Translation. M. Wasserman, F. Baker. June 2011. (Format: TXT=73700 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) which also could be considered to be in the loc/id space randyNo, that's a misuse of "loc/id" since no identification is involved, even at the network layer -- but it is in the "reduce issues in global routing and local renumbering" space (that's part of what LISP does). Cameron: As for ILNP, it's going to be difficult to get from where things are now to a world where ILNP is not just useless overhead. When you finally do, considering what it gives you, will the journey have been worth it? LISP apparently has more benefits, and NPT6 is so much easier -- particularly if you have rapid adaptation to apparent address changes, which many apps have and all mobile devices need already -- sorry but I don't think ILNP is going to make it. You can't just say "the IETF should pay more attention". I've invited people to promote it and nobody stepped up. Scott
Current thread:
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF), (continued)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Cameron Byrne (Jul 12)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Randy Bush (Jul 12)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Jeff Wheeler (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Randy Bush (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Scott Brim (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Cameron Byrne (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) steve ulrich (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Fred Baker (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Scott Brim (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Fred Baker (Jul 13)
- RE: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Ronald Bonica (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Fred Baker (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Dobbins, Roland (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Randy Bush (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Dobbins, Roland (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp Seth Mos (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp Cameron Byrne (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Randy Bush (Jul 14)
- Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?) Jeff Wheeler (Jul 12)
- Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?) Luigi Iannone (Jul 13)
- Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?) Damien Saucez (Jul 13)