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RE: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?)
From: Ronald Bonica <rbonica () juniper net>
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:28:58 -0400
Leo, Maybe we can fix this by: a) bringing together larger groups of clueful operators in the IETF b) deciding which issues interest them c) showing up and being vocal as a group in protocol developing working groups To some degree, we already do this in the IETF OPS area, but judging by your comments, we don't do it nearly enough. Comments? Ron -----Original Message----- From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bicknell () ufp org] Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:35 PM To: nanog () nanog org Subject: Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?) In a message written on Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 06:16:09PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote:
Ehmmmm ANYBODY, including you, can sign up to the IETF mailing lists and participate there, just like a couple of folks from NANOG are already doing.
The way the IETF and the operator community interact is badly broken. The IETF does not want operators in many steps of the process. If you try to bring up operational concerns in early protocol development for example you'll often get a "we'll look at that later" response, which in many cases is right. Sometimes you just have to play with something before you worry about the operational details. It also does not help that many operational types are not hardcore programmers, and can't play in the sandbox during the major development cycles.
Current thread:
- Re: NDP DoS attack (was Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?)), (continued)
- Re: NDP DoS attack (was Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?)) Jeff Wheeler (Jul 17)
- Re: NDP DoS attack (was Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?)) Owen DeLong (Jul 17)
- Re: NDP DoS attack (was Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?)) Jeff Wheeler (Jul 17)
- Re: NDP DoS attack (was Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?)) Owen DeLong (Jul 17)
- Re: NDP DoS attack (was Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?)) William Herrin (Jul 17)
- Re: NDP DoS attack (was Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?)) Owen DeLong (Jul 17)
- Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?) Jeff Wheeler (Jul 11)
- Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?) Owen DeLong (Jul 11)
- Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?) Benson Schliesser (Jul 12)
- Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?) William Herrin (Jul 11)
- RE: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?) Ronald Bonica (Jul 12)
- Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?) Leo Bicknell (Jul 12)
- Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?) Cameron Byrne (Jul 12)
- in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Randy Bush (Jul 12)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Cameron Byrne (Jul 12)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Randy Bush (Jul 12)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Jeff Wheeler (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Randy Bush (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Scott Brim (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) Cameron Byrne (Jul 13)
- Re: in defense of lisp (was: Anybody can participate in the IETF) steve ulrich (Jul 13)