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Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers
From: bmanning () vacation karoshi com
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:18:45 +0000
On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 12:24:01PM -0500, John Curran wrote:
On Feb 5, 2011, at 11:22 AM, bmanning () vacation karoshi com wrote:as you pointed out back in oh, IETF-29, actual network operators don't participate much in the standards setting process so its no wonder RFC 2050 has (several) "blind-spots" when it comes to operational reality. and pragmatically, I am not sure that one could come to a single consistent suite of polciy for management of number resource. there's just too many ways (some conflicting) to use them. but this might be a sigma-six outlying POV. ARIN's community certinly is dominated by a particular type of network operator.To the extent that the operator community does not participate in the open standards setting process in the IETF, and also opts not to participate in the open policy development process in the Regional Internet Registries, it is indeed challenging to make sure that the outcomes meet any operational reality. Since the results are useless for everyone if they don't work for the operator community, there is obviously pressure to try to fairly consider those needs as best understood, but it takes good inputs into the system somewhere if we want reasonable outcomes. (my humble opinion alone) /John
yeah... we are sharing opinions here.. :) the only analogy i can draw here is one of "land-grant" vs "eminent-domain" in the real estate world. in the case where an entity recevied an allocation at some point (being justified under then then current policy) it is going to take a bit of work to justify expropriation just 'cause the policy has changed... unless of course the RIR is willing to pay the fair market value to the holder to reclaim the space. this report suggests that the question is not RIR specific. http://ciara.fiu.edu/publications/Rubi%20-%20Property%20Rights%20in%20IP%20Numbers.pdf but thats just me. --bill
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- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers, (continued)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers John R. Levine (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Jack Bates (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Jon Lewis (Feb 05)
- RE: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Aaron Wendel (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers John Levine (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers William Pitcock (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Ernie Rubi (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Benson Schliesser (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Owen DeLong (Feb 05)
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- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers John Curran (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers bmanning (Feb 05)
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- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers John Curran (Feb 05)
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