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Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers]
From: Larry Sheldon <LarrySheldon () cox net>
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:02:11 -0500
On 6/9/2010 07:39, Jorge Amodio wrote:
1. Should ISPs be responsible for abuse from within their customer base?Not sure, ISPs role is just to move packets from A to B, you need to clearly define what constitutes abuse and how much of it is considered a crime. If I call your home every five minutes to harass you over the phone is AT&T responsible ?1a. If so, how?Pull the plug without looking at how much you are billing.
I'd say pull the plug while watching the balance sheet. I have no idea how many providers of netnews service there are left--not many because they waited for somebody else to solve the problems. I subscribe to one that rigorously polices spam and troll traffic (from their own customers _and_from_the_world). And for less than some of the other services. (They are associated with a German University, I think, so there may be a subsidy issue. I would pay several times as much as I do for the service--maybe an order of magnitude more.)
What incentive they have to do so ? and how liable they become if do something without a court order or such ?
Is "survival" an incentive?
Providers in the U.S. are the worst offenders of hosting/accommodating criminal activities by Eastern European criminals. Period.Probably true, here money talks.
But it doesn't listen. It waits for the bailout. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml
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- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers], (continued)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] Rich Kulawiec (Jun 09)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] Owen DeLong (Jun 09)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] Larry Sheldon (Jun 09)
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- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] Larry Sheldon (Jun 09)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] J. Oquendo (Jun 09)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] Larry Sheldon (Jun 09)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] Jorge Amodio (Jun 09)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] J. Oquendo (Jun 09)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] Owen DeLong (Jun 09)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] Larry Sheldon (Jun 09)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] Larry Sheldon (Jun 09)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] Larry Sheldon (Jun 09)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers] Barry Shein (Jun 09)
- Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike againstcyber attackers] Michael Painter (Jun 10)