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Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress)
From: Danny McPherson <danny () tcb net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:16:24 -0700
On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:06 PM, David Conrad wrote:
Sad fact is that there are zillions of excuses. Unfortunately I suspect the only way we're going to make any progress on this will be for laws to be passed (or lawsuits to be filed) that impose a financial penalty on ISPs through which these attacks propagate.
Yep, some external force is apparently necessary, unfortunately. We've been encouraging, and asking, and measuring intensely for over a dozen years now, and the application of anti- spoofing is still dismal < ~60%). I used to be sympathetic to the arguments about infrastructure support, resources, tools, etc.. I consider those argument no longer valid and operators who don't implement ingress BCP 38 style filtering remiss.-danny
Current thread:
- Re: isprime DOS in progress, (continued)
- Re: isprime DOS in progress Noel Butler (Jan 23)
- Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Seth Mattinen (Jan 23)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Jeffrey Lyon (Jan 23)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Gadi Evron (Jan 23)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Seth Mattinen (Jan 23)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 23)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Jamie A Lawrence (Jan 23)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Christopher Morrow (Jan 23)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Danny McPherson (Jan 23)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) David Conrad (Jan 23)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Danny McPherson (Jan 23)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Jack Bates (Jan 23)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Roland Dobbins (Jan 23)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) David Conrad (Jan 24)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Mark Andrews (Jan 24)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Martin Hannigan (Jan 24)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Mark Andrews (Jan 24)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Paul Ferguson (Jan 24)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Michael Dillon (Jan 25)
- RE: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) Lorell Hathcock (Jan 25)
- Re: Are we really this helpless? (Re: isprime DOS in progress) David Conrad (Jan 25)