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Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests
From: David Conrad <drc () virtualized org>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:36:17 -0700
Oddly enough, someone proposed something very much along these lines at a couple of RIR meetings (see "IPv4 Soft Landing"), and in fact used the 'driving into a brick wall' analogy. Many of the folks who commented on that policy proposal felt it was inappropriate for RIRs to dictate business models (that is, if an ISP doesn't want to move to IPv6, it wouldn't be 'right' for an RIR to force them to). The proposer eventually gave up as the impedance mismatch between reality and the RIR policy making process became too great to observe without breaking into uncontrollable giggles.
Regards, -drc On Apr 20, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
ARIN should ask companies to demonstrate: - demonstration of routing of an IPv6 range/using IPv6 address space - demonstration of services being offered over IPv6 - a plan to migrate customers to IPv6- automatic allocation of IPv6 range instead of IPv4 for those who can't do so.ie. No more IPv4 for you until you've shown IPv6 clue.Then people can't just get away with driving into the brick wall of IPv4-allocation fail.(Not sure if I'm serious about this suggestion, but it's there now). MMC On 21/04/2009, at 9:09 AM, Joe Greco wrote:Let me see if I can understand this. We're running out of IPv4 space. Knowing that blatant lying about IP space justifications has been anongoing game in the community, ARIN has decided to "do something" aboutit.So now they're going to require an attestation. Which means that theyare going to require an "officer" to "attest" to the validity of the information.So the "officer," most likely not being a technical person, is going to contact ... probably the same people who made the request, ask them ifthey need the space. Right? And why would the answer be any different, now? ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e- mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.-- Matthew Moyle-Croft Networks, Internode/Agile Level 5, 162 Grenfell Street, Adelaide, SA 5000 Australia Email: mmc () internode com au Web: http://www.on.net Direct: +61-8-8228-2909 Mobile: +61-419-900-366 Reception: +61-8-8228-2999 Fax: +61-8-8235-6909
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- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Brandon Galbraith (Apr 20)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests manolo (Apr 20)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests David Andersen (Apr 20)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Chris Owen (Apr 20)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Shane Ronan (Apr 20)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Matthew Moyle-Croft (Apr 20)
- RE: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Aaron Wendel (Apr 20)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests David Conrad (Apr 21)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Joe Greco (Apr 21)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Jo Rhett (Apr 20)
- RE: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Frank Bulk - iName.com (Apr 21)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Chris Owen (Apr 21)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Jo Rhett (Apr 21)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Robert E. Seastrom (Apr 23)
- RE: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Frank Bulk - iName.com (Apr 21)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Carl Ford (Apr 20)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Rich Kulawiec (Apr 21)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests John Curran (Apr 21)
- Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests Joel Jaeggli (Apr 21)