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Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage
From: Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org>
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 05:28:18 -0500 (CDT)
On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008, William Waites wrote:As mentioned in private email, I think where there is *evidence* of *criminal* activity, show this to a judge, get the judge to order ARIN to revoke the ASN/netblock, the traffic then becomes bogon and can/ should be filtered.
Proving criminal activity is for law enforcement. Maintaining our networks against DDoS and our customers against being massively compromised, now that's something else.
If a layer had become _that_bad_ I don't want them communicating with me, and if I am their peer, I don't want to peer with them. It's an individual choice by each provider, and we can lok at them in any light we like.
Oh come on, how quickly would that migrate to enforcing copyright
Copyright is a legal issue which does not trouble our networks, so if you get a legal paper asking you to do so, it's a whole other business. Don't muddy the water.
The issue is complicated enough as it is: do we want such dirty providers to massively compromise the Internet, our customers, or through us? Different answers from different people.
If law enforcement was capable of doing the job, we wouldn't have had to discuss this.
infringement? Or if you're especially evil, used by larger companies to bully smaller companies out of precious IPv4 space? I reckon having your IPv4 space revoked for more than a few hours would upset most if not all small players. Please find an alternative method of tidying up the trash and don't stir that nest of hornets. Adrian
Current thread:
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?], (continued)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?] Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?] Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?] Suresh Ramasubramanian (Sep 02)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?] Eric Brunner-Williams (Sep 02)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?] Suresh Ramasubramanian (Sep 02)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?] Jay R. Ashworth (Sep 04)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?] bmanning (Sep 03)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage Adrian Chadd (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage Gadi Evron (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage William Waites (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage Gadi Evron (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage William Waites (Sep 01)
- RE: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag Frank Bulk (Sep 01)
- RE: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag Richard Golodner (Sep 01)