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Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag
From: Paul Vixie <vixie () isc org>
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:15:08 +0000
fergdawg () netzero net ("Paul Ferguson") writes:
My next question to the peanut gallery is: What do you suggest we should do on other hosting IP blocks are are continuing to host criminal activity, even in the face of abuse reports, etc.?
depending on what you mean by "we", the immortal words of many MAPS lawsuits spring to mind here: "illegal conspiracy" and "prospective economic advantage." simply put, if a bunch of like-minded folks want to get together and decide that a given ISP is behaving badly and all decide to deny peering and transit to that ISP, then you should all first divorce your husband or wife after putting all joint assets in his or her name.
Seriously -- I think this is an issue which needs to be addressed here. ISPs cannot continue to sweep this issue under the proverbial carpet. Is this an issue that network operations folk don't really care about?
the great unsolved problem in every network is "other people's networks". whether that's networks who won't peer with you, or networks who drop your customers' packets either because of shaping or overcommit, or networks who sell service to people you hate and then run a crappy abuse desk, it's all one thing: OPN: Other People's Networks. OPN's are an unmanageable risk to all of us. netops people generally sweep OPNs under the rug, yes. -- Paul Vixie
Current thread:
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?], (continued)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?] Suresh Ramasubramanian (Sep 02)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?] Jay R. Ashworth (Sep 04)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?] bmanning (Sep 03)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?] Gadi Evron (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage William Waites (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage Adrian Chadd (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage Gadi Evron (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage William Waites (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage Gadi Evron (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage William Waites (Sep 01)
- Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage Adrian Chadd (Sep 01)
- RE: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag Frank Bulk (Sep 01)
- RE: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag Richard Golodner (Sep 01)