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Re: [NANOG] Did Youtube not pay their domain bill?
From: Steve Gibbard <scg () gibbard org>
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 15:10:56 -0700 (PDT)
On Sat, 3 May 2008, Mike Lewinski wrote:
David Coulson wrote:Depends - It doesn't help if the DNS server is dead, but the front-end is still advertising the routes.Possibly a good argument for allowing the DNS servers to originate the routes for them...? I've seen configuration where the routes were
Running Quagga or something similar on the anycasted server to announce the routes is the standard way of setting up anycast. That way, if the server fails completely, the route goes away. A common improvement on that is to run a script on the server that checks to make sure the name server process is running and responding correctly, and kills BGP if it isn't. That covers cases where named has problems that don't take down the whole server. The first one depends heavily on the server, if it's going to fail, failing the right way. If it loses power or stops all processes, the route goes away and traffic gets redirected elsewhere. If named dies or stops responding, you're stuck. The second method solves a lot of that sort of problems, but there are still conceivable situations where the server would get into a state of partial failure and be unable to withdraw the route. Still, that's probably the best option. Another approach would be to run the monitoring script and BGP process on a separate host that would presumably be healthy even when the name server host is in trouble. That approach has issues too, in that you lose the guarantee that the route will go away if the name server box is turned off. The right solution is to design the anycast servers to be as sure as possible that the route will go away when you want it gone, but to have multiple non-interdependent anycast clouds in the NS records for each zone. If the local node in one cloud does fail improperly, something will still be responding on the other cloud's IP address. Note that any of these failure scenarios is still preferable to what you get with unicast servers. With unicast, if the server has trouble, the route always stays up, and the the traffic always ends up in a black hole. -Steve _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list NANOG () nanog org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog
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