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Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)
From: Roland Dobbins <rdobbins () cisco com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:19:36 +0700
On Jun 22, 2008, at 11:17 PM, Paul Vixie wrote:
so, i'm not whining, just pointing out that this is a sea change, the end of an era.
And it's even more significant in that large enterprise customers and others will have explicitly *whitelisted* the IP blocks associated with these services. While static IPs are available for EC2 and for the other services, as you point out, it can't last in an IPv4 world. Later on, as the technologies mature and standards emerge, we'll see automagic arbitraging of jobs/loads/tasks between clouds, so things will be even more diffuse in terms of pinpointing the actual sources of undesirable traffic or other antisocial behavior (e.g., a spam engine may be resident in one cloud and making use of network resources/proxies in another cloud, that kind of thing; 'botnets in the sky', as it were).
This is far different from free email Google or Hotmail - these cloud services (EC2, Mosso, Slicehost, Terremark's Enterprise Cloud, Telstra's new service, AppEngine, et.al.) are where many popular new Internet applications will live, and, even more significantly, where an increasing amount large-scale enterprise computing (like banking, pharma, government, and so forth) will take place.
I foresee interesting times ahead. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins () cisco com> // +66.83.266.6344 mobile History is a great teacher, but it also lies with impunity. -- John Robb
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- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs), (continued)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) William Herrin (Jun 23)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 23)
- RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re:Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Tomas L. Byrnes (Jun 23)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Troy Davis (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Paul Vixie (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Jim Popovitch (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Randy Bush (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Steve Gibbard (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Paul Vixie (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Suresh Ramasubramanian (Jun 22)
- Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Roland Dobbins (Jun 22)
- RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re:Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs) Dustin Jurman (Jun 22)
- Cloud service [was: RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)] Frank Bulk - iNAME (Jun 23)
- Re: Cloud service [was: RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)] Suresh Ramasubramanian (Jun 23)
- RE: Cloud service [was: RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip addressreputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)] Tomas L. Byrnes (Jun 23)
- Re: Cloud service [was: RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip addressreputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)] Suresh Ramasubramanian (Jun 23)
- Re: Cloud service [was: RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip addressreputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)] Adrian Chadd (Jun 23)
- RE: Cloud service [was: RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)] Frank Bulk (Jun 23)
- Re: Cloud service [was: RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)] Joel Jaeggli (Jun 23)
- RE: Cloud service [was: RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)] Frank Bulk (Jun 23)
- Re: Cloud service [was: RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)] Joel Jaeggli (Jun 23)