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RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets
From: "Rod Beck" <Rod.Beck () hiberniaatlantic com>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:09:16 +0100
The vast bulk of users have no idea how many bytes they consume each month or the bytes generated by different applications. The schemes being advocated in this discussion require that the end users be Layer 3 engineers.
"Actually, it sounds a lot like the Electric7 tariffs found in the UK for electricity. These are typically used by low income people who have less education than the average population. And yet they can understand the concept of saving money by using more electricity at night. I really think that a two-tiered QOS system such as the scavenger suggestion is workable if the applications can do the marking. Has anyone done any testing to see if DSCP bits are able to travel unscathed through the public Internet? --Michael Dillon P.S. it would be nice to see QoS be recognized as a mechanism for providing a degraded quality of service instead of all the "first class" marketing puffery." It is not question of whether you approve of the marketing puffery or not. By the way, telecom is an industry that has used tiered pricing schemes extensively, both in the 'voice era' and in the early dialup industry. In the early 90s there were dial up pricing plans that rewarded customers for limiting their activity to the evening and weekends. MCI, one of the early long distance voice entrants, had all sorts of discounts, including weekend and evening promotions. Interestingly enough, although those schemes are clearly attractive from an efficiency standpoint, the entire industry have shifted towards flat rate pricing for both voice and data. To dismiss that move as purely driven by marketing strikes me as misguided. That have to be real costs involved for such a system to fall apart.
Current thread:
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets, (continued)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Sean Donelan (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Sean Donelan (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Bruce Curtis (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Adrian Chadd (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Dorn Hetzel (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 24)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets michael.dillon (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Iljitsch van Beijnum (Oct 25)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Frank Bulk - iNAME (Oct 25)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Rod Beck (Oct 25)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Geo. (Oct 25)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Mikael Abrahamsson (Oct 25)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Geo. (Oct 25)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Carpenter, Jason (Oct 25)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Leigh Porter (Oct 25)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Iljitsch van Beijnum (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Leigh Porter (Oct 25)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Jack Bates (Oct 23)