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Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?
From: Joe Greco <jgreco () ns sol net>
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:36:35 -0500 (CDT)
And before anyone accuses me of sounding overly critical towards the AU ISP's, let me point out that we've dropped the ball in a major way here in the United States, as well.We've dropped the ball in any place where the broadband architecture is to backhaul IP packets from the site where DSL or cable lines are concentrated, into an ISP's PoP. This means that P2P packets between users at the same concentration site, are forced to trombone back and forth over the same congested circuits.
This would seem to primarily be an issue /due/ to congestion of those circuits. The current solution, as you suggest, is not ideal, but it isn't necessarily clear that a "solution" to this will be better. Let's look at an infrastructure that would be representative of what often happens here in Milwaukee. AT&T provides copper DSL wholesale services to an ISP. This means that a packet goes from the residence to the local CO, where AT&T aggregates over its network to a ATM circuit that winds up at an ISP POP. Then, to get to a DSL customer with actual AT&T service, the packets go down to Chicago, over transit to AT&T, and then back up to Milwaukee... Getting the ISP to have equipment colocated at the point where DSL lines are concentrated would certainly help for the case where packets where transiting from one neighborhood customer of an ISP to another neighborhood customer of an ISP, but in the common case, it isn't clear to me that the payoff would be significant. Getting all the ISP's to peer with each other at the DSL concentration point would "solve" the problem, but again, the question is how significant that payoff would be. It would seem like a larger payoff to simply make sure sufficient capacity existed to move packets as required, since this not only solves the "local packet" problem you suggest, but the more general overall problem that ISP's face.
And P2P is the main way to
^currently
reduce the overall load that video places on the Internet.
... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
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- Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas? Joe Abley (Oct 04)
- Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas? Joe Greco (Oct 04)
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- Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas? Ron da Silva (Oct 05)
- Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas? Joe Greco (Oct 05)
- Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas? Joel Jaeggli (Oct 06)
- Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas? Tony Finch (Oct 08)
- Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas? Adrian Chadd (Oct 05)
- Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas? Joe Greco (Oct 05)
- RE: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas? andrew2 (Oct 05)
- Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas? Mark Newton (Oct 05)
- Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas? Joe Greco (Oct 06)