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Re: ISP CALEA compliance
From: William Allen Simpson <william.allen.simpson () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:03:49 -0400
Sean Donelan wrote:
The DOJ/FBI has been pretty consistent. They want it all and if there is a technicality in the law that doesn't give it to them they have consistently tried to expand the laws, regulations and court cases to give it to them. ...
Very true!
But its also important to remember CALEA compliance and responding to a Title III intercept court order are not necessarily the same thing.
Yes.
CALEA is only a subset of stuff some carriers have to be prepared to do for "Free." Other wiretaps requiring things above and beyond CALEA can be done for a time and materials billing to law enforcement after you get an lawful order (which can vary depending on what is demanded). For example, a Title III, FISA or ECPA lawful order can apply to traffic and institutions not covered by CALEA. ISPs have been responding to lawful orders for over a decade, even before CALEA was a law. And the realityis most of the stuff law enforcement actually wants from ISPs on a day today basis isn't covered by CALEA (i.e. stored communications and transaction records).
Yes. But not even CALEA was "for free". There's an argument that although Congress "authorized" CALEA (and there is also argument about whether the recent expansion to ISPs was authorized at all), it cannot be required of the public until Congress *appropriates* the funds, and they are received by us. Just like the current argument about how to end the Iraq war. Only actual appropriations count. Even non-lawyers should remember our basic civics lessons.
If the answer is yes, talk to your lawyer before May 14. If the answer ismaybe, talk to your lawer, if the answer is I don't know, talk to your lawyer. And if the answer is no, you probably should still talk to yourlawyer.
Excellent advice! And not just any lawyer -- this is probably beyond your benefits and retirement planner.
Current thread:
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance, (continued)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Jason Frisvold (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Jeff Shultz (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Patrick Muldoon (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Jason Frisvold (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Sean Donelan (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Daniel Senie (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Sean Donelan (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Patrick Muldoon (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Mike Hammett (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Jason Frisvold (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Sean Donelan (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance William Allen Simpson (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Steven M. Bellovin (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Jack Bates (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Mike Hammett (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Jon Lewis (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance William Allen Simpson (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Jack Bates (May 10)
- Re: ISP CALEA compliance Jason Frisvold (May 11)