Re: Time for IPv10? (was Re: Time for IPv8?)

[bmanning () vacation karoshi com]

 oh yeah... IPX - that works a treat.  (who was it that said "Its Deja Vu 
 all over again")

--bill

> [ It's been pointed out that, due to various historical reasons, IPv8  
> might not be the best choice of version-number to use in this  
> context.  So, IPv10 can serve for purposes of discussion, in its  
> stead. ]
>
> On Mar 5, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Roland Dobbins wrote:
>
> > On Mar 5, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >
> > > Far from it, but, there are lessons to be
> > > learned that are applicable to the internet, and, separating the
> > > end system identifier from the routing function is one we still seem
> > > determined to avoid for reasons passing my understanding.
> >
> > And this is the real answer, of course.
> >
> > There were two fundamental design decisions made back in the Olden  
> > Days which continue to exert a strong and in many cases quite  
> > negative sway over this entire set of inter-related issues:
> >
> > 1.   Utilizing the endpoint identifier in the routing function, as
> >     Vince Fuller and you (among others) have stated, and
> >
> > 2.   The ships-in-the-night nature of the TCP/IP protocol stack.
> >     This latter design decision is a big part of the reason TCP/IP
> >     has been so successful to date; however, we find more and
> >     more kludgey, brittle hacks to try and provide some sort
> >     of linkages for purposes of enforcing policy, etc.  The
> >     irony is that these attempts largely stem from the unforeseen
> >     side-effects of #1, and also contribute to a reinforcing
> >     feedback loop which further locks us into #1.
> >
> > Given the manifold difficulties we're facing today as a result of  
> > these two design decisions (#2 is a 'hidden' reason behind untold  
> > amounts of capex and opex being spent in frustratingly  
> > nonproductive ways), perhaps it is time to consider declaring the  
> > 'Limited-Deployment IPv6 Proof-of-Concept Experiment' to be a  
> > success, take the lessons learned (there are a lot more unresolved  
> > and potentially problematic issues than those mentioned in this  
> > thread) into account and get started on IPv8.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Roland Dobbins <rdobbins () cisco com> // 408.527.6376 voice
> >
> >     Everything has been said.  But nobody listens.
> >
> >                   -- Roger Shattuck
>
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> Roland Dobbins <rdobbins () cisco com> // 408.527.6376 voice
>
>      Everything has been said.  But nobody listens.
>
>                    -- Roger Shattuck