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Re: absense of multicast deployment
From: "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen () sprunk org>
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:01:44 -0600
Thus spake "Joe Abley" <jabley () isc org>
On 3-Mar-2006, at 11:48, Stephen Sprunk wrote:That depends on your perspective. There's a compelling need for usable multicast in many environments, and so far there's nobody (in the US) with a compelling need for IPv6, much less shim6.If there's such a compelling need for native multicast, why has it seen such limited deployment, and why is it available to such a tiny proportion of the Internet?
Just because it's not widely available on the public network doesn't mean that it's not widely available on private networks connected to the public one. There are tens of millions of users out there with access to Cisco IP/TV, Real, etc. over multicast, not to mention custom business apps (particularly common in the securities world) that use multicast. They're self-contained, though, so you don't see the packets/users or even know they're out there.
I'm not terribly surprised the public Internet doesn't have real mcast yet; the cost to build replicating unicast servers is paid by content sources while the cost to deploy PIM SSM is paid by another, and as such the cheaper alternative doesn't necessarily win. In a private network, one org can see the total costs for both and pick whichever one makes more sense.
If anything, it's in ISPs interests to keep things unicast since there's more bits to bill for. At least until someone figures out how to bill for the traffic exiting the network at the other end (and that still leaves a problem for peering).
S Stephen Sprunk "Stupid people surround themselves with smart CCIE #3723 people. Smart people surround themselves withK5SSS smart people who disagree with them." --Aaron Sorkin
Current thread:
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne), (continued)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) John Payne (Mar 01)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Joe Abley (Mar 01)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Marshall Eubanks (Mar 02)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Tony Li (Mar 02)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) David Barak (Mar 02)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Stephen Sprunk (Mar 03)
- absense of multicast deployment Joe Abley (Mar 03)
- Re: absense of multicast deployment Marshall Eubanks (Mar 03)
- Re: absense of multicast deployment John Kristoff (Mar 03)
- Re: absense of multicast deployment Kurt Erik Lindqvist (Mar 04)
- Re: absense of multicast deployment Stephen Sprunk (Mar 03)
- Re: absense of multicast deployment Edward B. DREGER (Mar 03)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Joe Abley (Mar 01)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) John Payne (Mar 01)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Kurt Erik Lindqvist (Mar 04)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Steven M. Bellovin (Mar 04)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Christian Kuhtz (Mar 04)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Kurt Erik Lindqvist (Mar 05)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Per Heldal (Mar 06)
- Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne) Joe Abley (Mar 01)