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Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?]
From: Joe Abley <jabley () isc org>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:36:48 -0400
Far not, I have nothing to add on the "e-mail peering" hand-waving, but...
On 2005-06-16, at 11:49, Michael.Dillon () btradianz com wrote:
If the BGP peering side of the business can sort out all of this stuff, then why can't the email side of the business do the same, or perhaps, do even better?It's not comparable, as has been explained several times to you.Perhaps you have never been involved in BGP peering? Let me explain what the BGP peering side of the business does, in addition to operating BGP sessions with peers. To start with, most ISPs don't start peering until after they have negotiated and agreement. Those agreements are legal contracts with many pages specifying the responsibilities of the two parties, limits on how the technology is to be applied, SLAs, processes for interoperation and communication between NOCs, i.e. the people protocols.
... this (above) is vastly different to my experience.At ISC we have between 1000 and 2000 BGP sessions active at exchanges around the world. I can count the number of those that required signed peering agreements on two hands.
Of those that did require paperwork, most were very happy to set up BGP sessions straight away, without waiting for the contracts to be signed and mailed. (If there are any such people watching, to whom I never got around to sending you a signed contract back, please let me know, and sorry :-)
Unless I am just very special, and some natural law protects me from mountains of legal paperwork which everybody else is obliged to climb, BGP peering is a lot more free and loose in real life than you suggest.
Joe
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- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Michael . Dillon (Jun 16)
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- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Michael . Dillon (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Steve Gibbard (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Joe Abley (Jun 16)
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- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Michael . Dillon (Jun 17)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Todd Vierling (Jun 19)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Jon Lewis (Jun 19)
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- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Todd Vierling (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Joe Maimon (Jun 16)
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- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Todd Vierling (Jun 16)
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