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Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?]
From: "william(at)elan.net" <william () elan net>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:21:42 -0700 (PDT)
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Todd Vierling wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:You're lost in the past. Study history and stop repeating it back to us.Although I agree that email peering is a seriously bad idea, I don't think that the analogy to uucp is correct.You're right -- I left out the routing table bit, which also existed some time ago. BITNET used the bitnet.links file; here's an old one still accessible for viewing: http://web.mit.edu/afs/athena/reference/net-directory/host-tables/bitnet.links Similar concept, same scaling problems; it just hides the explicit routing from the user (as would any modern "peering" system, presumably).
And just to add to it all, you might want to compare to another similar system - FidoNet with its nodelist routing files.Randy Bush is probably right person to ask but I have had a feeling in 1994 that its routing system would not be able to deal with all the people that want to be connected to global email system. But of course we end with everyone switching to internet and its no longer a problem (and fidonet zones now are either smaller or same size as 10 years ago).
And also consider that fidonet does have hierarchical address which makes routing decisions easier. With internet and majority of users using email addresses in TLDs (or country SLDs which is the same), there is no such hierarchy available. So my opinion is that email peering is not workable as far as solution for entire internet. But some of it may be of use in very limited scale between certain very large providers as internal whitelisting system. -- William Leibzon Elan Networks william () elan net
Current thread:
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?], (continued)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Joe Abley (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Robert E . Seastrom (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Michael . Dillon (Jun 17)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Todd Vierling (Jun 19)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Jon Lewis (Jun 19)
- Informal email peering (was: Email peering) Dave Crocker (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Todd Vierling (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Joe Maimon (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Steven M. Bellovin (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] Todd Vierling (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?] william(at)elan.net (Jun 16)
- Re: Email peering Michael . Dillon (Jun 17)
- Re: Email peering Joe Maimon (Jun 17)
- Re: Email peering Suresh Ramasubramanian (Jun 17)
- Re: Email peering Dave Crocker (Jun 18)
- Re: Email peering Steven M. Bellovin (Jun 17)
- Re: Email peering Mike Leber (Jun 17)
- Re: Email peering John Levine (Jun 18)
- Re: Email peering Mike Leber (Jun 18)
- Re: Email peering John Levine (Jun 18)
- Re: Email peering Alexei Roudnev (Jun 19)