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Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS
From: Michael.Dillon () radianz com
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:56:49 +0000
This article in ZDNET UK entitled "WIth ISPs like this, who needs enemies?" http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/andrewdonoghue/0,39027004,39175983,00.htm contains some rather unflattering comments about ISPs who don't help customers deal with DDOS attacks. The head of security technology for a major ISP named in the article said: "Why should ISPs do something? It's very much as if people want something for nothing. This noise is superfluous and silly." The thinking is this. There are two operational problems here, one big and one small. The big one is when your customer is the target of DDoS. The small one is when your customers originate the DDoS. I think the writer is telling us to treat these as two sides of the same problem. If management buys into this view then it would make the business case for the operational effort needed to clean up botnets. And if enough people clean up the bots on their network, then a case can be made for depeering (or severely damping) networks that don't clean up their act. --Michael Dillon
Current thread:
- Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS Michael . Dillon (Dec 06)
- Re: Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS Rich Kulawiec (Dec 06)
- Re: Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS Dan Hollis (Dec 06)
- Re: Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS Paul Vixie (Dec 06)
- RE: Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS Blake L. Smith - XtremeBandwidth.com, Inc. (Dec 06)
- Re: Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS J.D. Falk (Dec 06)
- Re: Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS Dan Hollis (Dec 06)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS J. Oquendo (Dec 06)
- RE: Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS D. Campbell MacInnes (Dec 06)
- Re: Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS Joshua Brady (Dec 06)
- RE: Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS Michael . Dillon (Dec 07)
- RE: Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS D. Campbell MacInnes (Dec 06)
- Re: Unflattering comments about ISPs and DDOS Rich Kulawiec (Dec 06)