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Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
From: Fred Baker <fred () cisco com>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:35:56 -0700
At 05:03 PM 08/30/04 -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
I've always wondered what really makes P2P different from anything else on the Internet? From the service provider's point of view, users accessing CNN.COM is a peer-to-peer activity between the user and CNN. From the service provider's point of view, Microsoft and Akamai are peer-to-peer activities.
From an internet-layer SP viewpoint, you're absolutely correct - p2p traffic is just that, traffic.
If you are an ISP that offers specific application services (for example, you market a VoIP service), you have just walked into the world that enterprise managers have lived in for quite some time. Suddenly it is not about "can the packet cross my network"; it is about "does the application I market behave as specified, and if not, what do I need to do to make it do so." At that point, you lump applications into a few buckets that you care about and one you don't, and think about their various implications.
And then there is the question of an ISP or enterprise that pays by the pound for its upstream service. It needs to be able to correlate its costs with its incomes. I have had a number of ISPs approach me for solutions that will allow them to do so, either by figuring out who is originating traffic to bill and send them a bill, or figuring out who is originating traffic they can't bill for and make it be less - without completely enraging the customer and making them change providers.
I have been approached by some providers who think p2p might be a service they want to offer, and therefore be able to manage, so that they can both bill for it and offer other services in a cost-effective manner. For them, it's part of the stuff they want to treat in a friendly manner...
It all depends on what kind of provider you are...
Current thread:
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P, (continued)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Mike Tancsa (Aug 30)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Crist Clark (Aug 30)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Owen DeLong (Aug 30)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Erik Parker (Aug 30)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Joel Jaeggli (Aug 30)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Fred Baker (Aug 30)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Sean Donelan (Aug 30)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Jeff Wheeler (Aug 30)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Iljitsch van Beijnum (Aug 30)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Scott A Crosby (Aug 30)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Fred Baker (Aug 30)
- RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Bora Akyol (Aug 30)
- RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Sean Donelan (Aug 30)
- RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Martin J. Levy (Aug 30)
- RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Bora Akyol (Aug 30)
- RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Dave Dennis (Aug 30)
- Definition of P2P (was Feinstein) Bora Akyol (Aug 30)
- Re: Definition of P2P (was Feinstein) Dave Dennis (Aug 30)
- Re: Definition of P2P (was Feinstein) David A. Ulevitch (Aug 30)
- RE: Definition of P2P (was Feinstein) Bora Akyol (Aug 30)
- Re: Definition of P2P (was Feinstein) Rob Nelson (Aug 31)