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Re: Lazy network operators - NOT
From: Paul Vixie <paul () vix com>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:46:40 +0000
Be careful about the slice and dice effect. Depending on how you divide up the numbers you can make any thing come out on top. In some sense the problem is a lot worse. Its not just spam, worms, viruses. Its not just residential broadband users. Its not even just Microsoft Windows.
while i agree, i think something i said earlier needs to get re-said:
So-called "broadband" user populations (cable, dsl, fixed wireless, mobile wireless) are full time connected, or nearly so. They are technically unsophisticated, on average. The platforms they run trade convenience for security, and must do so in order to remain competitive/relevant. Margin pressure makes it impossible for most "broadband" service providers to even catalogue known-defect customer systems or process complaints about them. Those facts are not in dispute. [...]
so, we know that a "broadband customer netblock" operator will not handle complaints, will not fix the systems that are known to be running third-hand malware, and that the only recourse against abuse from those places is blackholing them one (ipv4) /32 at a time, or blackholing them all at once and forcing mail servers (whether legit or not) to operate from a higher-rent neighborhood. there's no choice at all, really.
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- Re: Lazy network operators, (continued)
- Re: Lazy network operators Paul Vixie (Apr 13)
- Re: Lazy network operators Petri Helenius (Apr 13)
- Re: Lazy network operators Crist Clark (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators Rob Nelson (Apr 17)
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- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Doug White (Apr 17)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT John Curran (Apr 17)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Paul Vixie (Apr 17)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Sean Donelan (Apr 17)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Alex Bligh (Apr 18)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Sean Donelan (Apr 18)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Paul Vixie (Apr 18)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Petri Helenius (Apr 18)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Paul Vixie (Apr 19)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 19)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Paul Vixie (Apr 18)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Iljitsch van Beijnum (Apr 18)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Paul Vixie (Apr 18)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Steven Champeon (Apr 20)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Rik van Riel (Apr 28)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Paul Jakma (Apr 18)
- Re: Lazy network operators - NOT Mike Jezierski - BOFH (Apr 18)