Re: Inter-provider communications (Re: nobody @home)

[Jared Mauch <jared () puck Nether net>]

        I think it's about time that I get the final revisions of
my noc list up and going this week allowing more automated updates
to the list than there have been in the past which has forced all
of them to come via me for "approval" to be posted.

        (This has been done to avoid people putting #'s up that
are inappropriate).

        FYI, the netops/nocs.cgi is one of the most often accessed
files on my website.  I was away the past few days when the
slashdot message was posted.  I'm interested in if there were problems
getting to the site during some of that time.. drop me a msg if
you had problems, i'm curious.

        I'll get the automatic stuff rolling soon.

        (It'd be nice to see dial based services force caller-id to
show up :).

        - Jared

On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 04:21:24PM -0800, Sean Donelan wrote:
> On Sat, 20 January 2001, Dan Hollis wrote:
> > Youre lucky. Ive noticed an increasing trend that the NOC phone numbers
> > listed on corporate web pages come back as disconnected/RNA, and the
> > emails bounce "no such user". Real cute, especially when you're being
> > ddos'd.
> >
> > whois data is even worse. I suspect upwards of 25% of whois contact data
> > is worthless.
>
> This is not new, or even an increasing trend.
>
> I used to contact between 80 and 100 different NOCs every six months.  I
> would call every NOC contact phone number, and ask them to confirm it
> was the correct phone number.  Its amazing how many NOC's didn't know
> their own number.  And when I told them what number I had dialed, didn't
> know that number was connected to their NOC.
>
> The phone number churn was a consistent 30%, even with contact information
> exchanged in accordance with written peer agreements.  Every six months
> it would take me almost a week to reach 90 or so NOCs, and get the
> current contact information.  In the case of a couple of NOCs, in three
> years I was never able to reach anyone at the NOC willing to confirm
> the information.
>
> I used to post the results of my "drill" on NANOG.
>
> IOPS set up a contact list for its members, and for a while was doing
> monthly drills.  But since IOPS's keeps it a secret, I don't know how
> successful they've been.
>
>
> About two years ago, I proposed to all major providers we set up a set
> of permanent, private communication links between all the NOCs.  The "phone
> number" would be your ASN(s).  The system would be based on the same
> technology used by the NAWAS and NTA.  Which lets you set up an instant
> conferences.  I can set up the system so those providers who want to
> talk in "private," have conferences as small as two parties or as large
> as everyone on the network, while monitoring multiple circuits at
> the same time.
>
> 10 providers thought it was a good idea, but the two largest providers
> never responded to any inquiries.
>
> I can bring the idea out of mothballs again, if folks are interested.

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