Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model

["Adriel T. Desautels" <ad_lists () netragard com>]

Blowing up mid-air would also make it rather unbearable wouldn't it?   
Somehow I don't think that you'd make it from point A to point B if  
that were the case.  What's 3 hours versus 3 (or more) bits and chunks?


On Jan 5, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Alex Eckelberry wrote:

> Isreal airport security is absolutely intense.  You have to arrive  
> at least 3 hours before your flight.  Every single person is  
> questioned (or interrogated, depending on your viewpoint).   Pat- 
> downs, searches, etc.  It really is quite an experience for a person  
> used to the TSA.
>
> Implementing Isreal-like security would make travel a) unbearable  
> and b) incredibly time consuming.
>
>
> Alex
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Miller [mailto:cmiller () securityevaluators com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:00 PM
> To: Paul Ferguson
> Cc: Alex Eckelberry; funsec
> Subject: Re: [funsec] Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model
>
> I thought Schneier's post made no sense.  To summarize:
>
> Israelis do a good job with airport security.
> The US is much larger than Israel.
> Therefore, the Israeli method would not work in the US.
>
> Huh?  I was with you for the first 2 steps, but that last statement
> doesn't follow from the first two....
>
> Charlie
>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
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> > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Alex Eckelberry
> > <AlexE () sunbelt-software com> wrote:
> >
> > > However, they do two things in Isreal which, if JUST those two are
> > > done
> > > well, would obviate the need for removing shoes, spectacles, fluids
> > > and
> > > all other idiocy that we go through now:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 1.      They have a kick-ass intelligence service and
> > >
> > > 2.      They have security people observing passengers and asking
> > > questions.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > These two points would have stopped every single potential bomber,
> > > including the 9/11 hijackers, Richard Reid and the underwear
> > > bomber.  And
> > > we would all be a lot happier, saner and travel would actually be a
> > > pleasure.
> > >
> > > I would also add that we should move to having portable security
> > > checkpoints at the gate areas themselves, like in Vienna, rather  
> > > than
> > > right in front of the terminal.  Easier to manage small groups of
> > > people
> > > entering an airline than thousands of passengers per hour.
> >
> > "...the Israeli airport security model does not scale." - Bruce
> > Schneier
> >
> > http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/01/adopting_the_is.html
> >
> > I'm not one to simply parrot Schneier's nuggets of wisdom, but as
> > outlined
> > in the blog post above, I agree with this.
> >
> > $.02,
> >
> > - - ferg
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