Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model

["Larry Seltzer" <larry () larryseltzer com>]

It's a question of scale, like I said in my post. El Al puts huge
resources into airport security and they're small. Put proportionate
resources in for the US as a whole and airport security becomes 12% of
GDP. That's the basic argument. 

He specifically says that their model doesn't scale, meaning that
resources dedicated to security will rise in proportion to the passenger
load.

Larry Seltzer
Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
larry_seltzer () ziffdavis com 
http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/

-----Original Message-----
From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org]
On Behalf Of Charles Miller
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:00 PM
To: Paul Ferguson
Cc: funsec; Alex Eckelberry
Subject: Re: [funsec] Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model

I thought Schneier's post made no sense.  To summarize:

Israelis do a good job with airport security.
The US is much larger than Israel.
Therefore, the Israeli method would not work in the US.

Huh?  I was with you for the first 2 steps, but that last statement  
doesn't follow from the first two....

Charlie

On Jan 5, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:

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> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Alex Eckelberry
> <AlexE () sunbelt-software com> wrote:
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> > However, they do two things in Isreal which, if JUST those two are  
> > done
> > well, would obviate the need for removing shoes, spectacles, fluids  
> > and
> > all other idiocy that we go through now:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1.      They have a kick-ass intelligence service and
> >
> > 2.      They have security people observing passengers and asking
> > questions.
> >
> >
> >
> > These two points would have stopped every single potential bomber,
> > including the 9/11 hijackers, Richard Reid and the underwear  
> > bomber.  And
> > we would all be a lot happier, saner and travel would actually be a
> > pleasure.
> >
> > I would also add that we should move to having portable security
> > checkpoints at the gate areas themselves, like in Vienna, rather than
> > right in front of the terminal.  Easier to manage small groups of  
> > people
> > entering an airline than thousands of passengers per hour.
>
> "...the Israeli airport security model does not scale." - Bruce  
> Schneier
>
> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/01/adopting_the_is.html
>
> I'm not one to simply parrot Schneier's nuggets of wisdom, but as  
> outlined
> in the blog post above, I agree with this.
>
> $.02,
>
> - - ferg
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