Re: old news - but not here

[Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>]

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Brian Loe wrote:

> On 9/12/07, Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com> wrote:
>
> > > Iran's "public nudity" laws only restrict women. And "public nudity"
> >
> > Same in America. Men can go bare-chested, women can't.
>
> That's a ridiculous comparison. If they banned men from showing their
> bare chest, who cares? This is the face we're talking about, your
> ability to be human.

I think your point here is that women's bare chests are naughty, and men's 
aren't. And you can't see that this is just a cultural idea, not an 
absolute.

And somehow, you've decided that to be human, you must be able to show 
your face.
 
> Makes sense though, its probably easier to stone a person to death
> when you've never seen, and can't see, their face.

True. It's also easier to administer a lethal injection if you don't look 
the guy in the eyes while you do it.
 
> I agree, completely. It should be, as it is here in the states, based
> on the community's standards. Those standards may come from the
> individuals morality - which is naturally based on their upbringing
> and religious beliefs (or spiritual beliefs) - but its the people
> deciding, not the government.

The problem here, is that if it's the religious beliefs that govern the 
nakedness standards, then it's a bunch of priests deciding, not the 
people.
 
> > There you go again. You're assuming that democracy and free elections is
> > the best possible system, whereas some folks think that submission to
> > God's Laws is the best possible system.
>
> There's no question that democracy is a horrible and corrupt form of
> government, so no, I'm not assuming that at all. I'm partial to
> constitutional republics though and have no doubt that it would work
> no matter where it was tried. The decentralization of the government
> allows individual communities to govern themselves and the federal
> government is simply their to protect the interests of the citizens of
> those various communities.
>
> Besides, it seems obvious that what the individual Iranians want is
> NOT the same as what their dictators want.
 
You thought that about Iraq, too.

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