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Re: old news - but not here
From: Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:06:30 +0100 (BST)
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Brian Loe wrote:
On 9/11/07, Andy Sutton <newslists () pessimists net> wrote:On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 18:00 -0500, Brian Loe wrote:I fail to see how that compares to forcing women to cover their faces...I fail to see how you can't. Different cultural norms produce different perceptions on what makes a good decency law, but force is still force. Whether that force is used to cover up someones Joe Boxers, thong, or a woman's hair makes not a lick of difference - unless you believe "our" force is better. If that's the case, I have nothing else to say to you.I'll concede the point that all governments use force. I'll concede the point that all governments enforce culturally based laws. But I can not concede the idea that forcing a woman to cover her face - become invisible - is equivalent to forcing a guy to pull his pants up so that he can actually walk across the street at a proper pace. As comparisons between other non-insane countries go, there really isn't much comparison in this regard. France may have public nude beaches, but the US does have them as well - they're generally just private.
Um - your public nude beaches are private ... The whole point is that the French have a different standard of acceptable public nudity from you Americans. How can you say that's bad? And how can you say that it's bad that Iran has a different standard of acceptable public nudity?
If this country got back to its roots we would all acknowledge that "property = pursuit of happiness" and let that knowledge be our guide. In other words, we don't need the government's permission to do shit on our property - but the community does still guide what happens in the public. Most laws in the modern world, where ever you are but certainly every place I've heard from on here, are based on religious moral edicts. But they're not "religious laws" - they are the agreed upon morality of the community (or should be). This is an argument for strong state powers (often called "rights"), which I am in favor of. Some folks just don't want to see breasts hanging out in public. I don't understand it, but its the law (most of the time ;).
So how come your tolerance doesn't extend to the Iranians not wanting to see exposed female faces in public? _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: old news - but not here Andy Sutton (Sep 11)
- Re: old news - but not here Brian Loe (Sep 11)
- Re: old news - but not here Andy Sutton (Sep 11)
- Re: old news - but not here Drsolly (Sep 11)
- Re: old news - but not here Brian Loe (Sep 11)
- Re: old news - but not here Andy Sutton (Sep 11)
- Re: old news - but not here Brian Loe (Sep 11)
- Re: old news - but not here Andy Sutton (Sep 11)
- Re: old news - but not here Brian Loe (Sep 11)
- Re: old news - but not here Andy Sutton (Sep 11)
- Re: old news - but not here Brian Loe (Sep 12)
- Re: old news - but not here Drsolly (Sep 12)
- Re: old news - but not here Brian Loe (Sep 12)
- Re: old news - but not here Drsolly (Sep 12)
- Re: old news - but not here Brian Loe (Sep 13)
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