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Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Card Law
From: "David Lodge" <dave () cirt net>
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:16:06 -0000
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:30:40 -0000, Dude Van Winkle <DudeVanWinkle () gmail com> wrote:
I dont understand the big deal about a national id card. We already have drivers licenses and social security cards, Military IDs, College/School ID's, Work Badges, and Passports, so whats the big deal about adding a standard, especially if we can do away with the need for even two of the others (which I admit will probably not happen of course, buts its nice to dream eh?)
The major problem is that ID gets abused - and rather than ask for equivalent ID for a purpose, a generic global ID is requested, meaning closer monitoring by people who shouldn't have any right to monitor an individual (e.g. banks, supermarkets). The concept should be authenticate for purpose (e.g. my bank should provide authentication for me to use my account, my doctor should provide authentication for me to get prescription medicines etc). I certainly don't trust the government (of the UK and probably the US government too) to be able to secure a fully linkable database as they're planning to do or even have the will to secure it. As an example of the stupidity of the ID situation, I have an appointment to see a bank financial advisor and they want me to bring along a passport or driving licence. Why? My bank has never seen either of my passport or driving licence so how would they know that it is valid for me? Especially as the name on my bank account isn't my name (long story). Bearing in mind that in the UKs, names don't need to have legal documentation to be changed (except on government identification).
"They" already know who we are, and I would like to see anyone do one of the following without an ID: But a beer Buy Cigarettes
Have been doing so since I was 15 (I was bought up in small town England - it gets boring). Last time I was asked for ID on beer related grounds was when I walked into a bar in the US and they were asking *everybody*.
Buy allergy medication
I just buy them from the supermarket every spring.
Do anything financially
See rant above - my bank has no knowledge of my driving licence/passport number and *they shouldn't need to*.
Claim winnings
Not needed - I have no need to prove who I am when I gamble or pick up a lottery prize - my authentication token is the ticket/bookie slip. What difference would my real name make? We should avoid the concept of having to prove who we are for as much as possible. We should just prove that we are authorised to use the service - who we are makes little difference. dave _______________________________________________ privacy mailing list privacy () whitestar linuxbox org http://www.whitestar.linuxbox.org/mailman/listinfo/privacy
Current thread:
- [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Card Law Fergie (Dec 13)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Card Law Dude Van Winkle (Dec 14)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Card Law Drsolly (Dec 15)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Card Law Dennis Henderson (Dec 15)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Card Law Drsolly (Dec 15)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Card Law Brian Loe (Dec 15)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Card Law Drsolly (Dec 15)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Card Law Dude Van Winkle (Dec 14)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Card Law David Lodge (Dec 16)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Dr. Neal Krawetz (Dec 17)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Dennis Henderson (Dec 18)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Dr. Neal Krawetz (Dec 18)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Dennis Henderson (Dec 19)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID David Lodge (Dec 19)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Dennis Henderson (Dec 19)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Dude Van Winkle (Dec 19)
- Re: [privacy] U.S. Senators Propose Repeal of National ID Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 20)