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Re: FW: Windows Live and Privacy


From: Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:03:35 +0000 (GMT)

On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Bruce Ediger wrote:

On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Brian Loe wrote:

Without intellectual property rights what would our world look like
right now? Even the opensource community has copyrights... (or do they
call them copylefts?)

Think "USA before 1909": http://www.arl.org/info/frn/copy/timeline.html
This period arguably constituted the period of the most rapid technological
change in the USA's history.  I don't doubt a correlation.

Before 1909, the USA did not respect copyrights registered in other countries.

Yes, the USA, My Country, was an IP outlaw, like Singapore and Taiwan today.

Some academic research exists to support this sort of system:
http://minneapolisfed.org/research/sr/sr357.pdf

Boldrin and Levine have published other papers on the subject.

Some philosophical objections to copyright also exist:
http://libertariannation.org/a/f31l1.html

I doubt those will make much impression on you.  The way you phrase your
question seems to indicate that you believe that "IP rights" should exist
to protect the ideas that you and/or other people come up with.  That's
a false basis for reasoning from, at least in terms of copyright law.
The basis of copyright law is to get people to disclose ideas by giving
them a short period of state-enforced monopoly, during which the inventor
can extract monopoly rents.

That's a whole lot different than the concept of intellectual *property*.
Ideas and concepts basically aren't "property" in the sense that a car
or a house or a factory building are property.  Your car can be stolen,
depriving you of the use of it.  However, if someone copies my ideas about
writing a checker-playing program, neither I nor my program are deprived of
the use of those ideas.
 
I'd just like to point out that ideas aren't copyrightable. 

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