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Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle
From: Vincent Archer <varcher () denyall com>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:59:03 +0100
On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 22:45 +0100, LT wrote:
According to [1], Internet Service Providers must record the following information: 1) the IP address assigned to the customer 2) a precise identification of the (dial-in) port that is used for internet access (i.e. your phone number, customer number etc) 3) connect and disconnect timestamps This does however not include logging IP connection attemps to your favorite blog or website or anything like this. They only have to log the IP address and connection times of your dial-in session.
It sounds familiar. In France, this is is also a legal obligation, and at the same degree, and it has been for some time. It's an extension of the existing legal obligations in phone telecommunications, which have existed (including the 6 months time which is the same here) for ages. In an old hacking attempt early 2000, that's exactly how we got proof: Originating IP -> ISP for the phone number -> France Telecom for the name and address. You do realise that every phone call you make already leaves the exact same trace? And in fact more, as the phone call has a destination phone number, which is also recorded.
Besides that, there is an explicit statement [2] that forbids recording contents or data related to the visited web pages.
Yes, because that is considered wiretapping, which requires a judge to determine if you have enough cause to warrant the breach of privacy involved. -- Vincent ARCHER varcher () denyall com Tel : +33 (0)1 40 07 47 14 Fax : +33 (0)1 40 07 47 27 Deny All - 23, rue Notre Dame des Victoires - 75002 Paris - France _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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