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Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle
From: Paul Sebastian Ziegler <psz () observed de>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:38:50 +0900
How would this help with stored phone calls? How would this help with the general problem?
You are right to notice: It doesn't help with the calls at all.
While I think it is nice that you think about doing something against this I don't really like your idea since you totally miss that traffic does not only mean HTTP so I don't really see any point of not just using gpg,tor, etc.
The law passed does not talk about saving the actual traffic but only the connections made. This is the key difference. If we look at connections only, it doesn't matter if we create HTTP traffic or [insert random protocol here] traffic. HTTP is simply the easiest to generate. Using Tor is of course the perfect solution, as long as it doesn't put you under a general observation. GPG is not really involved in this law, since only the connections are saved while the content is not.
You write "This way it is very hard to tell which connections are actually made by the user thus generating plausible deniability." on your website and I also don't think this is valid because noone cares if it was you or an application creating this traffic
Well no, actually there have been many recorded cases where people did care. Say you want to profile someone and cant tell what was automatically created. Also this is how most TOR-exit nodes get away free when illegal traffic is tracked back to them. So the theory has in fact got some backing.
it also does not prevent people to store your traffic and I would aspect them to have pretty good methods to devide important and unimportant traffic ;)
They definitely have. But as I said, this is not what HayNeedle is about. There are many crazy laws the German government is currently working on and I am not here to target all of them. In this case all I target is the storage of the connection data - which is specified within the new law. If they want to eavesdrop on me or anyone, well yes, HayNeedle wouldn't help at all. But that was never the intention. Many Greetings Paul _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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