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RE: **LosseChange::Debunk it??**
From: "Pete Simpson" <Pete.Simpson () clearswift com>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:29:21 +0100
You have confirmed that the data are correct, you have no way to attack the principles, so where is the logical error? Be very precise. -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf Of Paul Schmehl Sent: 17 May 2006 17:11 Cc: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Pete Simpson wrote:
Paul, Again I will simply say, refute the data, the principles or the logic. Furthermore 'ad hominem' attacks just diminish your position.
Clearly you've bookmarked the argumentum page. It would be good if you'd also read it. Nowhere did I launch an ad hominem attack against you or anyone. (You might say this is one, and you would be right now.) You ask me to refute the data or the logic. Why? It's already been refuted. I'm not keen on reinventing the wheel or plowing old fields. I gave you cites to original material, even quoted a small portion, and your response is, "This is an ad hominem attack"? The burden of proof is yours, my friend, not mine, for you are the one spouting theories that don't agree with the scientific analysis done by experts in the field or with the rules of the physical universe. I'm neither a scientist nor a mathemetician, but let's test your theory of the rate of fall of the buildings. According to the official World Trade Center site, the towers were 110 floors and 1353 feet high. http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/World_Trade_Center.html Objects fall at 32 feet per second per second (assuming no resistance.) So, in five seconds, an object would drop 480 feet [32(5)]. In ten seconds, an object would drop 1760 feet [32(10)]. In eight seconds, an object would drop 1152 feet. (Remember the total height of the towers included the radio antennae on the roof. The 110 floors would be approximate 1200 feet.) And from what I quoted earlier: "Each building collapsed in about ten seconds, hitting the ground with an estimated speed of about 125 miles per hour." "The collapse was a near free-fall. With no restraint, the collapse would have taken eight seconds and would have impacted at about 185 miles per hour." Hmm.....odd how this all works out. One fallacy that confuses most people is that they see buildings as a huge mass, when in fact they are 95% air. Another fallacy is that a building destroyed by controlled demolition somehow overcomes the rules of nature and falls faster than one falling due to other causes. I'll just give you one, rather humorous look at the subject: http://www.jimcarson.com/a/2004/01/monday_morning.shtml Where'd your ninety seconds come from again? -- Paul Schmehl (pauls () utdallas edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ p://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ Clearswift monitors, controls and protects all its messaging traffic in compliance with its corporate email policy using Clearswift products. Find out more about Clearswift, its solutions and services at http://www.clearswift.com This communication is confidential and may contain privileged information intended solely for the named addressee(s). It may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. Unless expressly stated, opinions in this message are those of the individual sender and not of Clearswift. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Clearswift by emailing support () clearswift com quoting the sender and delete the message and any attached documents. Clearswift accepts no liability or responsibility for any onward transmission or use of emails and attachments having left the Clearswift domain. This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for Content Security threats, including computer viruses. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Paul Schmehl (May 17)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** bkfsec (May 17)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Dave "No, not that one" Korn (May 17)
- RE: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Pete Simpson (May 17)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** c0ntex (May 17)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Paul Schmehl (May 17)
- RE: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Pete Simpson (May 17)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Paul Schmehl (May 17)
- RE: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Pete Simpson (May 17)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Valdis . Kletnieks (May 17)
- RE: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Pete Simpson (May 17)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Paul Schmehl (May 17)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Ducki3 (May 18)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** c0ntex (May 18)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Paul Schmehl (May 18)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Ducki3 (May 18)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Paul Schmehl (May 17)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Paul Schmehl (May 18)
- Re: **LosseChange::Debunk it??** Steve Kudlak (May 20)