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Re: Re: Help put a stop to incompetent computer forensics
From: Thierry Zoller <Thierry () sniff-em com>
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:26:23 +0200
Dear Jason Coombs, JC> Interesting. What dictionary are you reading this definition from? 10 years security industry, AV experience, Whatis, and so on. JC> Whether or not the malware does other things as well, everyone I know JC> considers a Trojan to be a type of malware that allows an intruder to JC> gain entry to a system through the front door once the malware has JC> gained entry through some other means such as tricking the user into JC> installing it, forcing itself to install a la spyware, or exploiting one JC> of the many vulnerabilities in Internet Explorer that enable Web sites JC> to plant and execute arbitrary code. That's the brainwashed mashup media definition, we should pay attention they don't suceed too much. Hacker, cracker, whitehat, blackhat, "they are all alike". JC> If your proposed definition is the correct one I don't propose, it's an industry standard, ask kaspersky and other AV vendors, look at how they categorise these items. JC> own understanding of this term. But you're going to have to offer some JC> proof that other people agree with you. No proof from me here accept pure logic. JC> Somehow I suspect that Homer would disagree with you, and he is the JC> proper definitive authority on this subject. Actually it is that exact definition. JC> See the story of the fall JC> of Troy through the use of a Trojan Horse that enabled the whole Greek JC> army to gain entry through the front gates because of the actions of the JC> hidden package within the horse. The industry definition is perfectly within Homers defintion of a Trojan horse. Did they trojan horse allow them to remotely control them? No, the trojan horse was something else it pretended. It pretented to be a present in form of an art piece. What is really was was a hollow sculpture filled with armed soldiers. JC> http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/iliad.html -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Thierry Zoller mailto:Thierry () sniff-em com _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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