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RE: The Hacker's Manifesto Reloaded
From: the entrepreneur <da_entrepreneur () yahoo com>
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 06:11:40 -0700 (PDT)
Are you trying to be ironic (sorry you appear to be American)
Am from Asia, so u loose the rest of argument... Happens with Brits I say, ugh pathetic humor...puke! by assaulting
the so called regurgitated security seminars packaged as courses, by mutilating what was (and is) a seminal piece of thought published by the Mentor when you were still in nappies (or are they diapers)? Is this a subtle troll to start us all off again on the useless and bandwidth wasting arguments between Bill Gates Buddies and Unix Zealots? Could your time be better spent developing understanding both within and without regarding the true state of the security surface, rather than regaling us with the IT boy band equivalent of a cover version (same tune, same sort of words, but only pre-pubescent girls are swooning with rapturous delight at your polysyllabic verbosity). The Hackers Manifesto, Reloaded. Yeah, with blanks! Please save your bragging for your ICQ buddies Apologies to the rest of the list for cluttering the space and raising the noise surface. -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of James Tucker Sent: 04 September 2004 00:24 To: the entrepreneur Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The Hacker's Manifesto Reloaded Lollery. On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT), the entrepreneur <da_entrepreneur () yahoo com> wrote:James, A nice manifesto indeed. But it no way does it correlates to the one which I have written (or probably modified). Maybe the sarcasm is not noticeable, maybe you missed it, maybe because wearedifferent people altogether. Well, I am here because I am anti-authoritative, a negated personality (I hate to call it thatbecausethe fundamental idea of it's emergence was thisgrowthof negative activity, this was root for pete'ssake!).Maybe you supressed your impulses, or arevehementalydenying it. Well its snonymous to rap songs, they are violent, they are bad, but we listen, with that fetish lookineyes. Maybe you listen to it too or maybe not, but there always one vantage point where you blow your steam, about your very inner conscience. My conscience was the conscinence of thisManifesto,it manifests, the "hummm..." sound some peoplewill dowhen they read it. It's for them. If not for them, lest it's for me. EULA might not cover it (how can you miss the pun there ?), but the First Amendment will. hehe. Am I spared? -Regards The Entrepreneur --- James Tucker <jftucker () gmail com> wrote:A short piece of food for thought for all you hackers out there. This is not an attack on your livelihood this ismerely apoint for your consideration. It (the manifesto) does not explain why this information is relevant for me to read. or maybe I am unable tounderstandthe part that does, if so please teach this willing student. Your manifesto seems largely similar to those written by many others. The attacks upon the security industry (which is required, whether the techs are good or not is a different matter) are largely unqualified. Please do not forget that businesses are formeddueto the needs of other businesses or people and they serveothers,this leads in a chain like manner back to the industries youwouldchoose not to attack. Tell me how would you feel if you successfullystoleenough money that you crashed an economy and power generation also stopped. An unreal scenario I know, but tone this back down toreality,and you realise that the things you are using are also directly related to the things you are trashing. In essence you are destroyingyourown world. It is business that makes computers, it is power that feeds the factories, it is these peoples money that paystheemployees. The employees need health insurance if they want to survive, hospitals need their equipment, which in turn requiresdesign,logistics for movement of physical items. The logisticscompaniesneed ISP's for their communications infrastructure, and bankstomanage their money. The trail goes on. Do you not realise that manyofthe places you attack are merely part of the chain of business which supports the world that you love? A final point to further this, how far are you willing to go in causing people inconvenience? Every day people commit suicide due to stress caused to them in their business lives. Shutting down communications media, or any other businesscouldhave this effect (or at least contribute). Even furthermore there are situations where your actions may more directly affect the safety of individuals. Continuing to do so may then be compared to attemptedmurder.Still think you have any moral high ground? Finally the word manifesto means "a declarationofintent". I was unable to see any intended actions stated. Infactwhat I read more resembled a boast of money gained by actionsalreadyperformed, and insult of lesser hackers and securityprofessionals.For someone who should have a clear understanding of the needforaccurate understanding of language (most important whenthelanguage is dealt with on a purely logical and explicit basis aswitha computer system) you seem to not care so much about the accuracyofyour written language. ---
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