RE: The Hacker's Manifesto Reloaded

["aldr1c" <aldr1c () nildram co uk>]

Mr Entrepreneur,
        May I call you 'da_'

Are you trying to be ironic (sorry you appear to be American) by assaulting
the so called regurgitated security seminars packaged as courses, by
mutilating what was (and is) a seminal piece of thought published by the
Mentor when you were still in nappies (or are they diapers)?

Is this a subtle troll to start us all off again on the useless and
bandwidth wasting arguments between Bill Gates Buddies and Unix Zealots?
Could your time be better spent developing understanding both within and
without regarding the true state of the security surface, rather than
regaling us with the IT boy band equivalent of a cover version (same tune,
same sort of words, but only pre-pubescent girls are swooning with rapturous
delight at your polysyllabic verbosity).

The Hackers Manifesto, Reloaded.  Yeah, with blanks!

Please save your bragging for your ICQ buddies

Apologies to the rest of the list for cluttering the space and raising the
noise surface.

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of James Tucker
Sent: 04 September 2004 00:24
To: the entrepreneur
Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The Hacker's Manifesto Reloaded

Lollery.


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT), the entrepreneur
<da_entrepreneur () yahoo com> wrote:
> James,
> A nice manifesto indeed. But it no way does it
> correlates to the one which I have written (or
> probably modified). Maybe the sarcasm is not
> noticeable, maybe  you missed it, maybe because we are
> different people altogether.
> Well, I am here because I am anti-authoritative, a
> negated personality (I hate to call it that because
> the fundamental idea of it's emergence was this growth
> of negative activity, this was root for pete's sake!).
> Maybe you supressed your impulses, or are vehementaly
> denying it.
> Well its snonymous to rap songs, they are violent,
> they are bad, but we listen, with that fetish look in
> eyes. Maybe you listen to it too or maybe not, but
> there always one vantage point where you blow your
> steam, about your very inner conscience.
> My conscience was the conscinence of this Manifesto,
> it manifests, the "hummm..." sound some people will do
> when they read it. It's for them.
> If not for them, lest it's for me.
> EULA might not cover it (how can you miss the pun
> there ?), but the First Amendment will. hehe.
>
> Am I spared?
>
> -Regards
> The Entrepreneur
> --- James Tucker <jftucker () gmail com> wrote:
>
> > A short piece of food for thought for all you
> > hackers out there. This
> > is not an attack on your livelihood this is merely a
> > point for your
> > consideration.
> >
> > It (the manifesto) does not explain why this
> > information is relevant
> > for me to read. or maybe I am unable to understand
> > the part that does,
> > if so please teach this willing student.
> >
> > Your manifesto seems largely similar to those
> > written by many others.
> > The attacks upon the security industry (which is
> > required, whether the
> > techs are good or not is a different matter) are
> > largely unqualified.
> > Please do not forget that businesses are formed due
> > to the needs of
> > other businesses or people and they serve others,
> > this leads in a
> > chain like manner back to the industries you would
> > choose not to
> > attack.
> >
> > Tell me how would you feel if you successfully stole
> > enough money that
> > you crashed an economy and power generation also
> > stopped. An unreal
> > scenario I know, but tone this back down to reality,
> > and you realise
> > that the things you are using are also directly
> > related to the things
> > you are trashing. In essence you are destroying your
> > own world.
> >
> > It is business that makes computers, it is power
> > that feeds the
> > factories, it is these peoples money that pays the
> > employees. The
> > employees need health insurance if they want to
> > survive, hospitals
> > need their equipment, which in turn requires design,
> > logistics for
> > movement of physical items. The logistics companies
> > need ISP's for
> > their communications infrastructure, and banks to
> > manage their money.
> > The trail goes on. Do you not realise that many of
> > the places you
> > attack are merely part of the chain of business
> > which supports the
> > world that you love?
> >
> > A final point to further this, how far are you
> > willing to go in
> > causing people inconvenience? Every day people
> > commit suicide due to
> > stress caused to them in their business lives.
> > Shutting down
> > communications media, or any other business could
> > have this effect (or
> > at least contribute). Even furthermore there are
> > situations where your
> > actions may more directly affect the safety of
> > individuals. Continuing
> > to do so may then be compared to attempted murder.
> > Still think you
> > have any moral high ground?
> >
> > Finally the word manifesto means "a declaration of
> > intent". I was
> > unable to see any intended actions stated. In fact
> > what I read more
> > resembled a boast of money gained by actions already
> > performed, and
> > insult of lesser hackers and security professionals.
> > For someone who
> > should have a clear understanding of the need for
> > accurate
> > understanding of language (most important when the
> > language is dealt
> > with on a purely logical and explicit basis as with
> > a computer system)
> > you seem to not care so much about the accuracy of
> > your written
> > language.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > I am a student of security and this is my manifesto.
> > I intend to have
> > any hacker who tries to attack me for trying to
> > provide an explanation
> > of my point of view to them, thrown into jail for
> > the longest sentence
> > available under the laws of the country in which
> > they committed their
> > crime. This is my statement of intent, my manifesto,
> > and it needs no
> > end user license agreement or copyright. It is not
> > unreasonable, it is
> > not a declaration of war, it is a statement
> > accompanying a point for
> > discussion, nothing more.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 05:45:19 -0700 (PDT), the
> > entrepreneur
> > <da_entrepreneur () yahoo com> wrote:
> > > it says everything.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- James Tucker <jftucker () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > why?
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 03:31:32 -0700 (PDT), the
> > > > entrepreneur
> > > > <da_entrepreneur () yahoo com> wrote:
> > > > > The following was written shortly after my
> > > > > placement...
> > > > >
> > > > >                        \/\The Conscience of a
> > > > Hacker -
> > > > > Redux /\/
> > > > >                       (c)CopyRight
> > > > SuppaDuppaSecurity
> > > > > Solutions.
> > > > >                             *where do u wanna
> > pee
> > > > today*
> > > > >                                       by
> > > > >
> > > > >                                +++The
> > > > Entrepreneur+++
> > > > >                           Written on September
> > 3,
> > > > > 2004.
> > > > >
> > > > > Another one got bought today, it's all over
> > the
> > > > Wall
> > > > > Street.  "Teenager Floated A Big Secuirty
> > Company
> > > > ",
> > > > > "Hacker Paid After Ethical Hacking Of A
> > Bank..."
> > > > >         Damn kids.  They're all money whores.
> > > > >
> > > > > But did you, in your C Grade Economics Degree
> > and
> > > > > l4am3 technobrain, ever take a look behind the
> > > > eyes of
> > > > > this professional hacker?  Did you ever wonder
> > > > what
> > > > > made him whored, what forces lured him, what
> > may
> > > > have
> > > > > sold him?
> > > > >         I am a professional hacker, look at my
> > > > bank
> > > > > account...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mine is a world that begins with money... I'm
> > > > richer
> > > > > than most of the other kids, this crap they
> > buy is
> > > > so
> > > > > darn cheap...
> > > > >         Damn underachiever.  They're all money
> > > > whores.
> > > > > I'm a junior security consultant.  I've
> > listened
> > > > to
> > > > > senior security professionals about how to be
> > a
> > > > good
> > > > > hacker.
> > > > > I spit at it.  "No, Mr.NiceGuy-CISSP CISA CEH,
> > I
> > > > > didn't show my 0day. I sold it..."
> > > > >         Damn kid.  Probably leeched it.
> > They're
> > > > all
> > > > > money whores.
> > > > >
> > > > > I made a discovery today.  I found a Venture
> > > > > Capitalist.  Wait a second, this is cool.  It
> > does
> > > > > what I want it to.
> > > > > If it makes a mistake, he doesnt notice
> > because,
> > > > he is
> > > > > lame. He doesn't understand a crap of
> > security,
> === message truncated ===
>
>
>
>
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