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Re: MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof
From: Steve Poirot <poirotsj () gci net>
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:45:14 -0800
I don't know about IE, but with Netscape you can import the CRLs and arrange for automatic updates with the maximum frequency being once per day.
John.Airey () rnib org uk wrote:
Because Thawte don't have the hardware capabilities to do this. I'd asked them this before and they told me it would be too difficult to set this up. Even if they did, imagine how much network traffic would be required for verifying every certificate worldwide? PKI as it is set up at the moment is as useful as the British MOT test. All it says is that on a given day your identity (or car) was satisfactorily inspected. The other 364 (or 365) days anything could happen.- John Airey, BSc (Jt Hons), CNA, RHCEInternet systems support officer, ITCSD, Royal National Institute of the Blind,Bakewell Road, Peterborough PE2 6XU, Tel.: +44 (0) 1733 375299 Fax: +44 (0) 1733 370848 John.Airey () rnib org ukAppeasement is the policy of being nice to a crocodile in the hope that he will eat you last. (Winston Churchill)-----Original Message----- From: Richard M. Smith [mailto:rms () computerbytesman com] Sent: 12 May 2003 18:09 To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof The other problem with Authenticode is that certifcates aren't revokable. Why doesn't IE go back to Thawte to see if the "Browser Plugin" certificate is still valid?Richard-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Daniel Docekal Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 11:38 AM To: 'Richard M. Smith'; full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof Sure Richard it is actually loader of dialer program itself - it even updates itself any time it wants and it does anything it wants. And there thousands of people who had this bad luck to "use" that kind of software without properly realising what they are doing.Concerning that certifitace - stop trusting things whichcannot be trusted. Would be any COmpany/Street text something you can trust? Would it change any time that company relocates?It's problem of Microsoft who made this "authenticode"verification so misguided and people that they even trust to that. Actually one should not trust to anything that is not personally known to him... -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Richard M. Smith Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:10 PM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof The downloaded ActiveX file can be found at this URL: http://80.96.118.2/ac/mw/MSN_QTPieJess1.exeI ran a strings on the file and the control is called: TIBS Loader module and the ProgID is LoaderCon.LoaderCon. I can't find anything on the Web about this particularActiveX control, but it wouldn't surprise me that it is part of some sort adult dialer scheme. The control appears to be more of a downloader program and not the adult dialer itself.My question: Why can't an Authenticode certificatepresent the following information to a user:- Company name- Street address - Phone number - Web site URL - Contact Email address - Company logo - Link to a product description pageAll this information can be verified when a companyapplies for a Authenticode signing tool. The currentscheme is just plain silly as this MSN scam illustrates. There is simply no way to verify where a piece of softwareis really coming from.Richard-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Daniel Doèekal Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:08 AM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof Browser Plugin is ADULT DIALER - it connects via modem to telephone service and you pay your sexy adventure through your telephone bill. In many cases, there are adult dialers committing fraud - they redirect your dial-up internet connection to very expensive number without your knowledge. -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Richard M. Smith Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 3:40 AM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com; secure () microsoft com Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof You missed the good part. If you actually go to the "MSN" Web site and press the "Connect Now" button, the site tries to download some questionable ActiveX control. Not to worry however:Just press YES in the dialog box when itappears. This operation is totally safe and certified by Microsoft Authenticode(tm)The control is signed by "Browser Plugin". Iguess Thawte will give anyone an Authenticode certificate nowadays. 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